When I became born-again ...
I was totally OPEN with no pre-conceived false doctrines.
And now also ... I believe in no unscriptural doctrines, but
I believe in what the NT clearly teaches!
Some years ago, I collected approximately 20 NT passages
which clearly threaten the loss of salvation.
And there were quite a few more verses which hinted at this fact,
but which simply served to confirm the truth of the obvious 20.
But, do you think you’re going to hear this from most churches?
No way, Jose, because it is so unpopular that it would cause
a drop in attendance and, wait for it … a drop in tithes!
(Lots of tithes are required to pay church salaries, mortgages, etc.)
Change of subject ... It is critically important to be able to
RECONCILE the 2 groups of NT Scriptures, which are:
the so-called OSAS NT verses ...vs... those NT verses which oppose them.
This RECONCILIATION is accomplished by understanding:
the NT word "believe" must include obedience!
This is true because of the NT verses which state obedience is necessary.
Forget what some commentaries, even lexicons, might say …
because these are written by indoctrinated man, and not by God.
Please allow the Lord to speak the Truth for Himself through the NT.
No NT verses/passages are to be ignored and/or rejected.
True saving belief/faith demands more than
a simple belief in the John 3:16-type of verses.
I hope and pray that this will help some believers to understand
what the NT is supposed to be teaching us!
Understanding the NT re: eternal security
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Samuels, Apr 4, 2021.
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Each of these topics has several verses supporting it …
● Loving Jesus leads to obedience – this maintains our salvation
“IF you love me, obey my commandments. … You are my
friends, IF you do what I command.” (John 14:15, 15:14, NLT)
Do people who do NOT obey Jesus’ commands really love Him?
Are such people really His friends? Do they get into heaven?
● Choosing obedience over sin – this maintains our righteousness
“… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
(slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR (slaves) of
obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16, NKJV)
● Practicing righteousness maintains our righteousness
“Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God” (1 John 3:10, NKJV)
● Repenting of sins is necessary to maintain our righteousness
“IF we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us
of our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
(1 John 1:9, NKJV) “We must confess our sins and turn from them
… This is true repentance.” (The Applied New Testament Commentary)
● Enduring in the faith is necessary to keep our salvation
“… follow the example of those who are going to inherit
God’s promises because of their faith and endurance.”
(Hebrews 6:12, NLT)
There are many conditional “IF” NT verses!
And there are other similar topics with their proof verses. -
I prefer not to look over my shoulder thinking am I going to loose my salvation today because I did not resist?
If I really am saved I would soldier on as a soldier.
I have the luxury to look down therefore, on others who might say, "I was a Christian but I disappointed God or vice-versa so I stopped."
My perseverance or lack of does not negate the work of Christ.
I will rely on 1 John 1:9. -
Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
The OP. does not seem to grasp that biblical salvation is 100% of God.
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For only our old-past-previous sins (before being born again)
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Answer: They are all there for people like you to ignore/reject.
And Jesus gave quite a few instructive warnings as well ... to everyone in the Gospels. -
Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
warnings are actually a means of grace -
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That whistle needs to be blown a bit louder.
What is the point of warning folks about anything. It doesn't work with a system that requires some chosen with the exclusive license to sin.
Snobby obnoxious self proclaimed chosen/elect people........ I'm talking about Pharisees by the way.
Are they still around here today? Snobby obnoxious self proclaimed chosen/elect people?
Has anyone seen one today? Do they even exist? -
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But, we are responsible for heeding them. -
If a BAC chooses to remain a slave of sin, he/she ends up experiencing eternal death.
If a BAC chooses to be a slave of obedience, he/she ends up being considered righteous.
(BAC = Born-Again Christian)
BTW, yesterday I heard Cefalo Dollar on TV say ...
those whom God has made righteous cannot lose that righteousness!
How ludicrous!
"In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God,
nor is he who does not love his brother." (1 John 3:10) -
Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
That being said, there are false professions among the true church.
The warnings might cause them to examine themselves as to if they are savingly United to Christ, and might force them to deal with the true and living God. -
News Flash ... all humans are created with free will.
Working against co-operating with the Holy Spirit are Satan and the flesh.
It's two against One.
The One being that still small voice of the Holy Spirit.
If you have One, you have all Three.
Jesus' sheep hear His voice (John 10:27).
Heard His voice lately?
Jesus' sheep follow Him (John 10:27).
Do you follow Him? -
I get so tired of people who believe in salvation by law taking Bible verses to tell us they can also lose salvation by law.
Failure to understand grace leads to "must" syndrome. The OP reveals a salvation and loss of salvation by law theology. -
Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Scott Downey Well-Known Member
People who fell away from the faith and never repent of that before their deaths were never born of God.
The idea some have of a BAC seems written into emotional relationships. While a true born of God person the relationship is written into their entire being.
There may be many or few non BAC in any particular church. Clearly warnings existed in OT and NT scriptures about departing from God, and these are written for our example so as to not be like the others. Since God's Spirit is in charge of who gets born of Him, Calvinists really don't have an issue with this question, or 'problem'.
25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me.
26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
30 I and My Father are one.” -
Romans 6:16, ". . . Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" Says not a thing about someone being saved and then that salvation being had then taken away.
Please answer my request:
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I have a very simple and logical question (of which I know the answer, BTW) ...
WHY do BACs insist on ignoring and/or rejecting
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Please, Lord, give me a break!
Question to everyone: Have you put this deluded one on "IGNORE" yet?
FYI, da mostest famous one is probably ...
"Choose ye this day cursing or blessing." (paraphrased from the OT)
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