I am all for sharing the gospel with them, but breaking the law is breaking the law. Just because a death row inmate accepts Christ does not change the fact of what he did and what his punishment will be here on earth. The magistrate has the sword for a reason and all.
Any that accept the Lord should do just as cohabiting couples that accept the Lord which is to turn from their sin (illegal entry into this country) until the time they can make it right (returning to their homeland until they can come legally). If they have accepted the Lord then they should have the church and its members who were reaching out as sponsors.
Christians have to obey the laws of the land unless they are against the word of the Lord. Enforcing the borders and laws of immigration do not fit into that category.
Undocumented immigrants
Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by freeatlast, Jun 16, 2011.
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Bro. James Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
The details of the statistical analysis in such an experiment would be cost prohibitive to define; and almost not possible to implement. That these people are in the camp is a fact. Would this experiment include the folks from the Middle East who are also in the camp--remember 9-11?
Stop the drug traffic. The peripheral problems will diminish.
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But I have to ask: If you came across a starving man, who turned out to be guilty of not paying child support (comparing civil offense with civil offense; in this case, a man who was so far behind in payments that the courts had ordered his incarceration), what kind of compassion would you have? -
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As to "pushover" position, history and logic show that as long as there are strong incentives to gain something of high value, then increased regulation and enforcement does little over the long run to mitigate the problem with those who take the illegal route. But make the route to gaining the thing people desire easily attainable by legal means and people will invariably choose the legal means. So, as long as coming to the US is seen as highly desirable, and as long as it is highly restricted by law, then attempts at stronger enforcement will quickly become cost prohibitive and ultimately doomed to failure. So, the "pushover" position is simply the realistic solution - a solution that actually has a chance of doing away with the illegal immigration problem.
Now, on the other hand, if one simply doesn't want easy and classless immigration, then certainly my proposal isn't going to fly. But for those who "have no problem with immigration" its by far the practicable solution. If you don't want a flood of illegal immigrants, then simply make the laws so that they can easily immigrate legally. But if you don't want a flood of immigrants, then good luck with the strong enforcement thing. At best it will mitigate the problem but it can't solve it, not without the cost FAR outweighing the possible benefits. -
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And one question I am very interested in hearing those who are vehemently against illegal immigration:
What about illegal emigration? What of those who leave their countries illegally (ie. Cuba, those who escaped the Iron Curtain, etc.) but were able to enter the US legally? Would you react to them in the same way you would illegal immigrants? Why or why not? -
As far as other countries, normally the US would consider political asylum for those whose life would be in danger if returned. A sub-standard standard of living would not be sufficient to be given political asylum.
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I would say what needs to be done is put them in prison until their home country or another country agrees to take them and if it never does they never get out.
INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants
2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants
CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.
86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually
53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.
71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes".
47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.
63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens
66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.
BIRTH STATISTICS 380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.
97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.
66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers
http://www.savage-productions.com/illegal_alien_contributions.html
http://www.illegalimmigrationstatistics.org/
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Tango Mike Mike
You know.... Im getting tired of hearing some disparaging things.
Link: http://biggeekdad.com/2010/01/tango-mike-mike/ (sent via Shareaholic-Publishers) ---- Tango Mike Mike is the story of Green Beret Roy P. Benavidez and his heroic action in Vietnam that earned him the Medal of Honor. Roy suffered numerous injuries in saving the lives of eight fellow soldiers. -
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Most people are against those who enter this country illegally; by your own statement, you're talking about people who enter this country legally. What does illegal entry into this country have to do with illegally leaving another country? -
Why vehemently condemn lawbreaking in one case but excuse it in another? -
Now the US could honor a request for extradition from another country, which they have done many time. -
I am not talking about how the US should deal with them, but how is many people's reaction here consistent or reasonable given that most would probably excuse illegal emigration (if not find it outright commendable). Why condemn one type of criminal but not another simply due to the question of jurisdiction?
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