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Undocumented immigrants
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The law the poster is referencing does not require anyone to turn any one in to the authorities. So, I guess they can keep loving Jesus and take people to the store.
freeatlast
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Knowingly harboring any criminal is a criminal offense. It is not love of jesus when people violte the law. it is rebellion.
freeatlast
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define sanctuary
FR7 Baptist
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Being an illegal alien is not a crime.
If you report someone who is here illegally, that makes you wrathful and vindictive? Helping law enforcement officials identify those that are breaking the law is wrathful and vindictive?
This kind of thinking is what makes me ill.
But it is "illegal," isn't it?
How many illegal aliens have asked for sanctuary?
freeatlast
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WOW where have you been? If it were not a crime then all those people in detention (prison) for being here illegally must have volunteered to stay in jail.
Bt the way you might want to tell this guy what he did is not a crime and that he is not a criminal http://www2.dothaneagle.com/news/20...-years-prison-being-illegal-alien-ar-1625409/
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freeatlast
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I don't know that I'd go that far; I'd caution about being wrathful and vindictive in how I go about reporting these folks. But the act of reporting is not, in and of itself, "wrathful and vindictive."
freeatlast
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I am not talking about being wrathful. I welcome legal immigrants, but not illegals. I can tell the illegals about the Lord, feed them, and then turn them in to be arrested for them being criminals which they are. I can do that with an illegal criminal or a murderer criminal and I would then turn them both in. It has nothing to do with being vindictive or wrathful. It has to do with obeying the law and more important the Lord who says we are to obey the law. I also still say everyone who helps an illegal hide or remain here illegally should be put in prison. They are no different then the smugglers who bring them in who are criminals.
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dwmoeller1
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AND Paul pleaded with his owner to grant "amnesty" sans restitution.
dwmoeller1
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This is misleading. There are laws against harboring but they are fairly limited in scope. Generally it applies to those who are trying to keep the criminal from being apprehended by law enforcement. Helping a an illegal by giving them a ride or food or any other help, as long as it is not an action which knowingly helps the evade arrest, is perfectly legal.
And a person is certainly not required to report an illegal. According to http://www.reportanillegalalien.com/ (a site dedicated to allowing people to report illegals):
"What can I do?
Be that as it may, a private citizen is not required to report someone who is in the country unlawfully, nor does the United States Immigration and Custom Enforcement (USICE) prefer it done."
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dwmoeller1
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Law is divided into two general categories, criminal and civil. Those who break a criminal law are criminals and the action is a crime. Those who break civil law are not criminals nor is their act a crime.
Immigration laws are civil laws, not criminal laws. Thus illegals are not criminals nor is their action a crime. Not in a legal sense at least. Their adjudication is a civil and administrative matter, not a criminal one.
Found this interesting link: from V-DARE
freeatlast
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Your statements are correct as far as how things are being handled in this corrupt government atmosphere. I simply disagree that they are not criminals. If those who bring them here are criminals then they are criminals. I also disagree about turning them in. I feel we should turn them in even if the government is trying to protect them.
World English Dictionary
crime (kraɪm) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]
— n
1. an act or omission prohibited and punished by law
2. a. unlawful acts in general: a wave of crime
b. ( as modifier ): crime wave
3. an evil act
4. informal something to be regretted: it is a crime that he died young
[C14: from Old French, from Latin crīmen verdict, accusation, crime]
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Main Entry: crime
Pronunciation: 'krIm
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, from Latin crimen fault, accusation, crime
1 : conduct that is prohibited and has a specific punishment (as incarceration or fine) prescribed by public law —compare DELICT, TORT
2 : an offense against public law usually excluding a petty violation —see also FELONY, MISDEMEANOR
NOTE: Crimes in the common-law tradition were originally defined primarily by judicial decision. For the most part, common-law crimes are now codified. There is a general principle “nullum crimen sine lege,” that there can be no crime without a law. A crime generally consists of both conduct, known as the actus reus, and a concurrent state of mind, known as the mens rea.
3 : criminal activity
crime (kraɪm) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]
— n
1. an act or omission prohibited and punished by law
2. a. unlawful acts in general: a wave of crime
b. ( as modifier ): crime wave
3. an evil act
4. informal something to be regretted: it is a crime that he died young
[C14: from Old French, from Latin crīmen verdict, accusation, crime]
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Legal Dictionary
Main Entry: crime
Pronunciation: 'krIm
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, from Latin crimen fault, accusation, crime
1 : conduct that is prohibited and has a specific punishment (as incarceration or fine) prescribed by public law —compare DELICT, TORT
2 : an offense against public law usually excluding a petty violation —see also FELONY, MISDEMEANOR
NOTE: Crimes in the common-law tradition were originally defined primarily by judicial decision. For the most part, common-law crimes are now codified. There is a general principle “nullum crimen sine lege,” that there can be no crime without a law. A crime generally consists of both conduct, known as the actus reus, and a concurrent state of mind, known as the mens rea.
3 : criminal activity
dwmoeller1
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Practically speaking, how are you going to know if they are illegal immigrants? Demand a birth certificate whenever you suspect? And if they, quite legitimately, refuse to show one (as would most any person, illegal or otherwise), what do you do then?
And I am curious as to why you consider them criminals when for most of our history anyone could legally come as they desired?
And what of illegal emigrants, that is, those who leave their country illegally even though they may enter our country legally? Are they criminals as well?