Unions Seek Government Help to Survive

Your concept of unions or other employee groups is warped to say the least. The purpose of a union or other such organization is to work together to make a job a better and safer place to work. The greed rests with the individual, as does the sin. From what I have seen, employees and management work well together most of the time. It must to survive.

You have a right to work anywhere you choose, however, to make a broad statement that unions are a sin because all union members are greedy is short sighted, and shows a lack of understanding of the organizations and of applying Biblical principles to the situation.

 

You are not one to talk of Biblical principals to me. I take no stock whatsoever in corrections from you.

And I have no(NO) positive experience with unions. I am aware that there are new working arrangements between the two parties, modeled after the Japanese, that some say works well, but I have no first hand knowledge of it.

 

Well, you have no first hand knowledge of my knowledge of the Bible either. So you are quite consistant.

 

And this is their problem. The unions want to squash dissention.

 

I have been in the manufacturing world for over 30 years as a worker and as a Superviser. I have always found that an employer will always do what they can to avoid losing a good employee. It would be bad business. I have never belonged to a union and have always managed to make a pretty good living without their help. The company I work for now is unionized but being in a "right to work" state (Fla.) I choose not to join. Now I will admit that we do owe much to their work in the past. (8 hour day, wekends off etc.) But today it seems that the union is only there to protect the lazy malingerer. My best friend is a technician for the US Post Office in Phila, Pa. and some of the stories he tells me of how the union protects some of its more worthless employees astounds me.

 

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Lady Eagle

 

So you just benefited from the work of the other "paying" union members without putting in your fair share, is this right?

 

Fair share that goes to what? The latest Democratic nominee. The latest supporter of murdering unborn children. This is where a good portion of union monies go whether you support these candidates and issues or not. It is all funneled through the AFL-CIO.

Florida is a right to work state. That makes it right.

 

I have considerable experience reading your posts, which say a great deal about you. You seem to be an American hating liberal democrat, though I believe you stated you were an independent, who sometimes remembers he's supposed to reflect Christian principals. But your posts betray the latter.

 

That depends on the union. Mine is more evenhanded than most.

That's not the criteria for where the lobby money goes.

You can opt out of political contributions and only pay the part that goes to negotiations and managing pensions, etc.

Only if your union is a part of that. Interestingly, the managers union is the Teamsters, but the workers' is not where I work.

Legal, sure, but not right.

 

And the word "most" is key here.

It is not the direct criteria. Regardless of the criteria the union lobby money ends up in the hands of such murderers.

Which puts a member at odds with the militant union leadership and they are now treated with disdain.

The AFL-CIO is the largest and most sought after among unions.

It is absolutely right. Non union workser may get some of the same work conditions but they do not get direct representation during differences with the employer.

 

Unfortunately, yes thats about it. Maybe I should show you the pathetic payscale and benefits this union managed to negotiate for its members. I would rather be a company man for after all they are the ones who hand out the money, not the unions. Besides I dont want any of my money going to support the Democrat party.

 

I, sir, am twice the conservative you will ever be. If you want to compare military service, voting records, work records, ministries involved in, just let me know. Name calling is what you are reduced to, as you never lifted a finger for this nation, and while I am not sure of your church, ministries, or work, your posts are hallow, {snip}.

 

I'm sure you will make a fine "company man," as you called it.

In the past, many years ago, I worked at two union shops. I now work at a non-union shop. Although I like my current employer and we get along great, My compensation doesn't have anywhere near the buying power now that I did back then.

Please understand that I don't put all of the blame on the fact that my present employer is not union for the conditions in our industry. In fact, I don't care if my employer is union or not, but I think they should treat their employees fairly and pay them a fair wage for a fair day's work.

I believe treaties such as NAFTA have done more to adversely affect the middle-class American worker than the reduction in union membership, and I'm sure it also affects many small and medium size businesses as well.

 

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