Unreached People Groups

[John of Japan]

I hate to differ with you, but may I gently explain that Jesus did not speak of hell more than He spoke of heaven. This is a common, unexamined phrase that nearly every pastor and Bible teacher repeats, but it is wrong.

According to Strong’s Concordance, there are 104 verses associated with Jesus and the word “heaven”, but only 28 verses associated with Jesus and the word “hell”.

As I said, it's not correct to include "Kingdom of Heaven" in the study, because that was Matthew's way of referring to what the other Gospels called "Kingdom of God," and it was referring not to the place called Heaven, but the influence of God on earth.

We should expect that Jesus would talk a lot more about Heaven, because He lived there and He was proclaiming the kingdom of heaven in His ministry. But it is correct to claim that Jesus explained hell more than anyone else ever had.

This is helpful.

 

[John of Japan]

You are the only Christian I have ever known who questioned that phrase “Jesus spoke about hell more than He spoke about heaven”!

Our numbers differ, but the result is the same.

According to Strong’s Concordance, there are 104 verses associated with Jesus and the word “heaven”, but only 28 verses associated with Jesus and the word “hell”.

Again, not a valid comparison, because of the meaning in Matthew of "Kingdom of Heaven."

 

[Ascetic X]

Again, not a valid comparison, because of the meaning in Matthew of "Kingdom of Heaven."

You are more of a scholar than I, but to me, speaking about the kingdom of heaven is speaking about heaven.

It is the kingdom ruled by, located in, or coming from, heaven.

 

[John of Japan]

You are more of a scholar than I, but to me, speaking about the kingdom of heaven is speaking about heaven.

It is the kingdom ruled by, located in, or coming from, heaven.

We'll agree to disagree, but you have made an interesting point. But if you really want to dig deep in this difficult subject, Alva J. McClain's Greatness of the Kingdom (1968) is the dispensational classic--though to be fair, I don't know if he would agree with all I've written here. Haven't read the book myself in a long time.

 

[atpollard]

Exactly 11. Look at Post 73.

hell occurs 54 times in 54 verses in the KJV
gehenna occurs 0 times in 0 verses in the KJV
gehenna occurs 12 times in 12 verses in the YLT

heaven occurs 582 times in 550 verses in the KJV
heaven occurs 221 times in 210 verses in the YLT.

(the exact count is Translation dependent and then you were further restricting it to "Jesus talked about")
However, GOD and SCRIPTURE is obviously far more focused on "looking up" than "not looking down". (that was my only point)

 

[atpollard]

It's not a myth to me. I did my own study on the subject.

That phrase in Matthew is simply the Matthaen version of "Kingdom of God," designed to help the Jews understand "Kingdom of God." It rarely if ever actually refers to Heaven in Matthew.

Not exactly fair to throw in "General Mentions." Can I throw in phrases like "judgment" on the other side?

Exactly 11. Look at Post 73.

That's not how the study works, at least not when I did it. You've added all sorts of vagueness to the Lord's speaking on both Heaven and Hell.

Anyway, this is a rabbit trail, not the main subject.

You raised some interesting (and potentially valid) points about intended context.
As you say ... back to the main event.

 

[John of Japan]

hell occurs 54 times in 54 verses in the KJV
gehenna occurs 0 times in 0 verses in the KJV
gehenna occurs 12 times in 12 verses in the YLT

heaven occurs 582 times in 550 verses in the KJV
heaven occurs 221 times in 210 verses in the YLT.

(the exact count is Translation dependent and then you were further restricting it to "Jesus talked about")
However, GOD and SCRIPTURE is obviously far more focused on "looking up" than "not looking down". (that was my only point)

Not to continue this rabbit trail , but a slight correction: gehenna occurs 12 times, yes, but the 12th is not Jesus but James 3:6. So Jesus used the term 11 times, and James once.

 

[atpollard]

Not to continue this rabbit trail , but a slight correction: gehenna occurs 12 times, yes, but the 12th is not Jesus but James 3:6. So Jesus used the term 11 times, and James once.

I stand corrected.