Vaccine mandates on public gatherings.

The OP is a bit off.

That is up to the churches (each congregation should determine the risk). I believe a church is a type of family.

Yes, a Christian concert venue should be subject to maintaining the safety of their customers.

The crowds depend on the capacity of the venue. To operate at full capacity rather than enforce partial capacity risks need to be mitigated. (To exchange one safe measure for another another measure has to be in place).

Businesses are suffering because of restrictions. The restrictions can be lifted if risks are handled through vaccination. Vaccine rejections want to benefit from lifted restrictions but at tge same time want to nullify the reason restrictions are lifted.

It is not fair to most Americans to have to operate at reduced capacity, to continue to hurt the economy and struggle to support their families simply to let those who reject vaccines attend their venues.

It is time for our nation to move forward. Those who reject vaccines can stay behind - we need to stop allowing them to be an anchor dragging us down.

 

Under MY formula places of worship decide. You don't get to define my formula, brother.

It is not about keeping people from volunteering to be at risk.

Our country is not fully open (if you have not noticed). Businesses are suffering. Our economy is suffering.

People should be able to choose whether to be vaccinated. But they should not be able to deprive others of their freedom to live.

Businesses have restrictions across the nation. We thanked God for giving us a safe (by medical standards) and effective vaccine.

The vaccine rejections were afraid they would be forced to be vaccinated, but they were not. Instead restrictions that were in placed to mitigate risk were being removed as the vaccine mitigated risk.

No wanting to miss a chance to complain the vaccine rejections then cried " my freedom...liberty" because they wanted to force people to let them in their venues.

But the whole point of lifting restrictions was a proven vacvine (proven to medical standards) was avaliable to all.

So you act as if you have the right to demand entrance into another person's business. Act as if your freedom to choose means you can shackle a whole nation.

No. We dealt with the pandemic for 2 years. Our economy suffered. Business went under. In May 2020 we got a vaccine and now have 3 approved vacvines.

Vaccine rejections do not get to be a millstone around our nation's neck. It is time Our nation moves in, moves into the future. Those who reject vaccines can choose to hop on board at any time or be left behind. They are free to do that. But they have no right to drag a nation down with them.

 

Uh....no. My "formula" was large public venues. My "formula" excluded religious and family gatherings. My "formula" has to do with with indoor public events, ballgames, concerts and such.

My "formula" pertains to businesses and the economy. If your church is a business then you have more problems than a vaccine.

What sounds like Biden is you putting requirements in my "formula".

Trust me, I am able to say what I mean. I do not need your additions.

I would hope church members cared about one another to get vaccinated, but I suspect for many their love if perceived threats to their secular rights will prevail.

 

No. People who took the vaccine did so because they see the benefits and risks of the vaccine as outweighing the risk of covid.

The idea of requiring vaccinations for public venues, flying, etc. is about protecting our nation, our economy, and our freedoms. I'm not saying the government mandates these restrictions. I am talking about businesses having the freedom.

It is not the public's business what churches do. If a church is anti-vax I can find another. Same with families. It is not the publics business what families do in regards to allowing unvaccinated people in their homes.

But we can mitigate the risk of covid at public venues, sports events, concerts, etc.

Now, I am not saying a concert should be forced to mandate vaccinations. I am saying they should be allowed to look after the best interests of their clients.

Why not allow people determine for themselves if THEIR organizations, businesses, etc. will require a vaccine for admission.

That is freedom.

 

It is a crisis if the unvaccinated ate able to dictate to businesses how to protect their business.

We live in a free society. Bit more and more our freedoms are being eroded.

Now we see this with the anti-covid-vaccine movement.

They want to choose for themselves whether to be vaccinated. I agree they should.

But the they want to choose for business owners how they can protect their income, their employees and their customers!

What gives these vaccine rejections the right to decide how a private company does business?

They pretend to be about liberty but just beneath the facade they are stripping freedoms from our nation.

Let capitalism work! Stop trying to dictate everybody bow to your desires. If a venue requires vaccines and it us the wrong decision then capitalism will quickly fix it.

Minority rule is not the solution. Socialism is not the solution. Allow men to be free. Stop trying to strip others of liberty. You have yours - decide whether to get vaccinated. But leave us to live our lives and run our businesses as we see fit.

 

Businesses are owned. The owners of businesses should be able to decide how they run their businesses. If they require masks, vaccinations, no masks....that is their right.

Strong armed thuggery is the anti-vovid-vaxers trying to strip freedoms away from businesses. That is wrong.

We are a capitalistic nation. Don't trash liberty for minority rule.

 

Ok...let me ask here, @Reynolds and @just-want-peace

If you believe capitalism is such a bad idea, if it is so wrong to let owners decide for themselves how their businesses will be run and capitalism determine their fate....what is your alternative?

 

I misunderstood you.

So you are in favor of companies requiring proof of vaccination from their customers if they decide it is best for their company. I wholeheartedly agree.

Let businesses decide. The majority of Americans are vaccinated and we can decide with our dollars without stripping them of their freedom.

 

What fines are imposed on businesses if they do not require their customers provide proof of vaccination?

 

Strawman argument. We are talking about businesses being able to decide if they require customers to show proof of vaccination - NOT people getting vaccinated.