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Virus and Vaccine Experts and "Experts"

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by JonC, Oct 13, 2021.

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  1. JonC

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    Thank you for including the bios.

    I also rely on my doctors insofar as I trust their opinions. But I do not count them as experts on viruses and vaccines.

    I notice that you list general MD's, psychologists, mathematicians, obesity specialists, orthopedics, psychotherapist, psychiartists, gynecologists, and dentists as experts on the sars-cov-2 virus and mRNA vaccines.

    In your opinion what makes them experts?
     
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    Pro-vaccine for those who have not had covid, against vaccine requirements for covid-survivors:

    Dr. Makary earned his MD from Thomas Jefferson University. He is a surgical oncologist and chief of the Johns Hopkins Islet Transplant Center.
     
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    'I wonder why we are not seeing these effects on the ground.'

    Because the 'ground' is covered by algorithms giving you a narrow field for research. We must do worldwide research and from other countries well beyond google, wiki, and facebook.

    I presume you do agree the first amendment is under attack today and that censorship is alive and well?
     
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    You notice that I copied the list from those in the ‘medical field’ who signed on with the founders to show their support & concern. I did not formulate that list. You are being obtuse. Do you disbelieve that these people have had no interactions with patients who have had adverse affects? You weigh in every day & you admit you have little to go on other than your opinion, & everyone here knows your opinion by now. Every post you make, without a link, is nothing but a redundant waste of time.
     
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    Do I disbelieve the dentists and psychotherapists had no patients with covid? I don't know if they did or not. I have experience with people who had covid.

    I just do not see how alternative tgeripists, dentists, psychotherapist, psychiatrist, orthopedic doctors, eye doctors, etc. are experts when it comes to virology.

    But I do believe you get to choose your experts. To each his own.
     
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    I don't know. We are not researchers. What I see in my area are unvaccinated people getting very sick and dying while vaccinated people are having mild symptoms, if any, should they get covid. We have 11,000 people on site, 95% vaccinated, and no serious side effects from vaccinations.

    We have lost about 16 unvaccinated this year at work (no vaccinated), two young police officers (unvaccinated), and 4 children. This is just a small picture of what I have seen where I live.

    Do I believe people are being censored? Yes. But then again sometimes censorship is appropriate.

    I am not aware of the government interfering with free-speech, but I wouldn't put it past them.
     
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    I think you are on the payroll of either the vax companies or the Communists trying to take over this nation. If the latter, unaware I am sure.
    The merits of the vaccine are one discussion. What you can not understand is that the issue is being used as a tool to crumble our freedoms. Whether or not you support the vax, you must oppose all mandates, govt or private. Will y'all quit being scared of a Virus that will not kill you if you get the right treatment.
     
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    I wish I were on the pharmaceutical companies payroll.

    But if I were I'd be adamant that everybody should be vaccinated. Unlike the anti-covid-vaxers here, I believe in personal liberty. People should be able to make their own decisions about their health and how they run their own businesses.

    Saying a man should have the freedom to run his own company is not communism, BTW. But saying tge community should make decisions instead of the business owner is socialistic.
     
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    No Jon, it's not. A business owner can not make medical decisions for his employees.
     
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    They are not.

    They are making conditions of employment.

    As a condition of employment We are also prohibited from using marijuana (even if we are where it's legal).

    Nobody is forcing an employee to be vaccinated.
     
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    It's not legal anywhere in United States.
    Can I make these conditions of employment?
    1. You must be male.
    2. You must be white.
    3. You must be a member in good standing of a SBC church.
    If not, why can't I? My business and all that garbage.

     
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    Businesses have to operate within the confines of the law. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964: Makes it illegal to discriminate against someone on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin or sex.

    Marijuana is legal in Colorado. But I worked for Prespecta and while in Colorado I could not smoke pot because not using drugs to include marijuana was a condition of employment.

    I am a conservative and a Constitutionalist. So I do have a problem when people devise to strip the freedoms our nation was built upon from business owners.

    No employer has forced an employee to are a vaccine. It is the employers right to set conditions of employment and the employee's right to decide whether to get a vaccine or not.
     
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    Marijuana is illegal under federal law in all 50 states.
    This is about the Constitution. If you claim that The COTUS gives businesses right to make their own employment decisions period, why you not up in arms about the Civil Rights act of 1964 trampling on that COTUS given right?
    Can't have it both ways JonC. An Act is not a Constitutional Amendment.
     
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    I was not working for a federal company
     
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    Ok. Marijuana is a violation of Federal law. Don't really know what a company has to do with that.
     
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    Marijuana over .3% THC is.

    And it does not matter.

    Your position is you should have the right to tell another person how to run their business.

    The sars-cov-2 virus is a workplace hazard. There is a FDA approved vaccine which has been proven effective and statistically safe. An employer has to make provisions for religious and medical exemptions as required by law, however he has the right to make decisions regarding his own business.

    No employer is making health decisions for employees. That is a straw man argument.
     
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    That is not a straw man. The employer is making health decisions for employees. You can not deny that.
     
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    The employer is not making health decisions for employees. This is why your post is a strawman argument.

    Months ago you showed why you are now making an error. If a store required a mask (a health decision) but you did not want to wear one then you could simply not shop at that store.

    What you are doing now is insisting other people accept the consequences for your choices. This is wrong.
     
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    Calling my argument a straw man is purely deceptive. It is no straw man.
    An employer requiring a vaccine is coercion. It is using the force of job termination to force a person to have a medical procedure. It's allowing economic extortion to be used to attain an end result.
    As I asked you earlier, is it likewise OK to require sterilization? Why not? Births in family interrupt fluid operations in the company. The problem is that you have a vax that works so poorly you are in fear and want to force others to get the vax to help protect you. You know the vax is failing. You know that with each variant you have a far greater chance of becoming critically ill. You are trying to force me to put myself in the same sinking boat with you because of your fear. I am not scared of Covid. All you fearful people need to just leave us alone. You took your vax. You should be good. Quit worrying about us. I believe in the slippery slope. Seen it happen too many times. Seen it happen here with the vax. Freedom is being lost. Fear is turning former Patriots into Communist tools.
     
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    under Jon’s personal philosophy and objecting to sterilization or even not allowing blacks to work at your company and interfering with those as a condition for employment are liberal, socialistic attempts at controlling the freedom of businesses.

    Fircing employees to get dangerous vaccines with unknown long term effects is much like those and those employers will be liable for the damage to their employees from these vaccines
     
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