When The Washington Post carried Senator Dianne Feinstein's (D-CA) claim that NSA surveillance programs had successfully thwarted a terror attack by Najibullah Zazi, the paper also highlighted the counter claim that Zazi's plans were actually thwarted by good police work.
According to Feinstein, while living in Colorado Zazi made up his mind to "blow up a New York subway." She said NSA surveillance "programs" helped foil the plans before they could be carried out.
However, as my colleague John Sexton has pointed out, public information on the Zazi case shows that he actually caught investigators' attention because of an email flagged via good police work--not good NSA programs. According to these records, "the path to [Zazi's] capture began in April 2009" when British police found emails between various accounts and an Al Qaeda affiliate on computer they had seized.
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Washington Post: Maybe NSA Programs Thwarted Zazi, Maybe Not
Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Revmitchell, Jun 9, 2013.
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CNN: Sen. Mark Udall (D-CO) is "unconvinced" data collection has stopped terror plots and wants an open debate about privacy.
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If Udall is really worried about privacy then he will have to address the data mining by corporations, think tanks and Internet servers as well.
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Will this happen? I doubt it will ... it will only if politicians think it will benefit them. But big corporations own politicians and thus our privacy will not be protected from them ... IMHO.
Actually you seem to be taking a more liberal position on this one than I. You seem only concerned about the government invading your privacy as you have said nothing about others gathering data about your and your family. -
The dems would love to turn this into another privacy vs security debate. As long as it's between privacy and security the well trained and frightened population will pick security everytime.
The real dabate is whether or not we can trust a government that has taken advantage of every threat real or imagined and every crisis imaginable to expand it's own power and scope at the expense of our freedom and liberties. -
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It is hard to take anyone with this position seriously.
First you continue to struggle to make legitimate comparisons.
Second, private companies and the government are not equally dangerous. In fact they are not in the ball park. Companies cannot force you to do anything.
Once you learn the differences between government and "corporations" then you will have a better understanding about politics. Right now you are wandering in the wilderness. -
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite SupporterCrabtownboy said: ↑Revmitchell said: ↑The dangers are different but very real. And, as corporations own our politicians, they thus dictate our policies. They surely are not interested in your best interest, but in profits.
Corporations have been ruled as individuals.
Corporations can give unlimited donations to politicians, thus the individual has been taken out of the equation.
Corporations look out for self, not you and me.
If you believe corporations are not a danger then look at:
What they have done to the land and environment in West Virginia.
Love canal.
The Gulf Coast
The mercury poisoning of the people at Minamata
The killings by mercenaries hired by US companies in various foreign lands. Just one example is the activities of Sam Zemurray the founder of Cuyamel Fruit Company. He is not alone.
The mercenaries for hire companies that are flourishing and have no loyality except to those who pay them ... but only for as long as they are paid. For instance Monsanto hired mercenaries from Blackwater.
Additionally, if you believe corporations are benign do some reading on the Robber Baron era in the USA.
Also read about the Coal Field Wars in West Virginia.
Read about what oil companies have done in Nigeria.
Yes, corporations do much to improve our lives. But they are not benign.
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Crabtownboy Well-Known MemberSite SupporterRevmitchell said: ↑Crabtownboy said: ↑
You have been indoctrinated. Especially in light of the fact that you cannot see the danger in what the government does. There is a serious deficit there.Click to expand...
I am a student of history. You seem to know now history or have not learned anything from it.
You did not address the issues of what corporations have done. Are you blind to the dangers of unbridled capitalism?
Government and industry both can be helpful or dangerous. Neither should be given a free hand.
But, keeping a record of who I call ... and I am sure they have as I called my sister, my doctor, the person living in my house a number of time from Prague. Those were noted. I could care less.
Why are you protecting terrorists communications?
I am against secret courts.
I am against the government being able to arrest and detain a person indefinitely without out charges and without letting his/her family know.
What do you worry about the government knowing who you call. Your telephone company knows. Does it matter? No.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite SupporterCrabtownboy said: ↑Revmitchell said: ↑I am a student of history. You seem to know now history or have not learned anything from it.
You did not address the issues of what corporations have done. Are you blind to the dangers of unbridled capitalism?
Government and industry both can be helpful or dangerous. Neither should be given a free hand.
But, keeping a record of who I call ... and I am sure they have as I called my sister, my doctor, the person living in my house a number of time from Prague. Those were noted. I could care less.
Why are you protecting terrorists communications?
I am against secret courts.
I am against the government being able to arrest and detain a person indefinitely without out charges and without letting his/her family know.
What do you worry about the government knowing who you call. Your telephone company knows. Does it matter? No.
Make communications as difficult for terrorists as possible. Do you agree?Click to expand...Click to expand... -
Crabtownboy Well-Known MemberSite SupporterRevmitchell said: ↑Crabtownboy said: ↑You seem to be completely ignorant of the differences between government and business. Or better yet you know and want that kind of power over you and others. What liberals are looking for is a king. You want to someone control your lives. We will not let you have one. Ever.Click to expand...
Now, please address my question, "Why do you want to protect the ability of terrorists to communicate easily without worry their communication may be intercepted and used to bring them down?Click to expand... -
Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite SupporterCrabtownboy said: ↑Revmitchell said: ↑I know well the differences between corporations and governments and I know the dangers are different. However just because the danger from a corporation is different from that of the government does not mean the danger is not real.
Now, please address my question, "Why do you want to protect the ability of terrorists to communicate easily without worry their communication may be intercepted and used to bring them down?Click to expand...Click to expand... -
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