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[TCassidy]

I do not care what the nearest PP does beyond abortion because their is no cover for killing babies.

I see. So now, when confronted with the truth, you back peddle and admit you were wrong. Good for you! We are making progress.

Now please quote where I said any of the above procedures are immoral and should be banned.

You said:

They do no good.

Therefor:

anemia testing
cholesterol screening
diabetes screening
physical exams, including for employment and sports
flu vaccines
help with quitting smoking
high blood pressure screening
tetanus vaccines
thyroid screening

are "no good." Not good. Immoral, unvirtuous, vicious, vile, wicked. (Roget's 21st Century Thesaurus, Third Edition Copyright © 2013 by the Philip Lief Group.)

They do no good.

 

[Benjamin]

And I don't view you as a credible witness.

Anyone who is denying the very obvious differences in the abortion position between the 2 candidates as clearly demonstrated in the 3rd debate is not viewed as a credible witness to me.

 

[blessedwife318]

I see. So now, when confronted with the truth, you back peddle and admit you were wrong. Good for you! We are making progress.


You said:

Therefor:

anemia testing
cholesterol screening
diabetes screening
physical exams, including for employment and sports
flu vaccines
help with quitting smoking
high blood pressure screening
tetanus vaccines
thyroid screening

are "no good." Not good. Immoral, unvirtuous, vicious, vile, wicked. (Roget's 21st Century Thesaurus, Third Edition Copyright © 2013 by the Philip Lief Group.)

There was no back peddling on my part. I have always maintained that they do no good and all they do centers around abortion. You will never here me say otherwise. For you to claim otherwise is dishonest. And you are still trying to put words in my mouth. So again quote me where I said any of the above is immoral and should be banned.

3 people have called you out on defending planned parenthood so you can try to deflect to me all you want but there are 3 witnesses to your defense now.



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[evangelist6589]

Oh for the love of the donkey! So many replies... I can't keep up with everything. By this response I sure hope that everyone here will vote or has voted already.

 

[Benjamin]

Anyone who is denying the very obvious differences in the abortion position between the 2 candidates as clearly demonstrated in the 3rd debate is not viewed as a credible witness to me.

Or they fail to recognize:

This election to me is not about logic but about Right and Wrong,...

...that logic is based on the science of reason for determining between true and false which directly affects how one rationally determines between "Right and Wrong".

 

[InTheLight]

Anyone who is denying the very obvious differences in the abortion position between the 2 candidates as clearly demonstrated in the 3rd debate is not viewed as a credible witness to me.

Yes, well, please name someone that is denying there was a difference in positions in the third debate. Would that be Mr. Strawman?

 

[Benjamin]

Yes, well, please name someone that is denying there was a difference in positions in the third debate. Would that be Mr. Strawman?

As per the 3rd debate Trump was supporting the right to life of the unborn in contrast to Hillary’s pro-abortion position. Therefore, Trump is a better choice for those who are truly anti-abortion. True or false?


Go ahead and sign your name off ITL. This is a True or False question. My bet is you'll use one of your typical denials of the these facts as an excuse such as Trump "flip-flops".

 

[Calminian]

As per the 3rd debate Trump was supporting the right to life of the unborn in contrast to Hillary’s pro-abortion position. Therefore, Trump is a better choice for those who are truly anti-abortion. True or false?....

I think it's safe to say, those still anti-trump at this point don't care about the unborn. For them it's a trivial issue. Trump's sexual sins 30 years ago are much more important.

 

[InTheLight]

As per the 3rd debate Trump was supporting the right to life of the unborn in contrast to Hillary’s pro-abortion position. Therefore, Trump is a better choice for those who are truly anti-abortion. True or false?


Go ahead and sign your name off ITL. This is a True or False question. My bet is you'll use one of your typical denials of the these facts as an excuse such as Trump "flip-flops".

Trump did delineate the differences between Hillary and himself regarding partial birth abortion quite effectively. But that was it. There was no other discussion about any other aspect of abortion. He didn't use the phrase "I'm pro life". He didn't condemn all abortions.

I would say, yes, Trump is the better choice for those that are anti partial birth abortion.

 

[InTheLight]

I think it's safe to say, those still anti-trump at this point don't care about the unborn. For them it's a trivial issue. Trump's sexual sins 30 years ago are much more important.

 

[Benjamin]

Trump did delineate the differences between Hillary and himself regarding partial birth abortion quite effectively. But that was it. There was no other discussion about any other aspect of abortion. He didn't use the phrase "I'm pro life". He didn't condemn all abortions.

I would say, yes, Trump is the better choice for those that are anti partial birth abortion.

All or nothing fallacy denial. Thank you.

 

[Calminian]

Trump did delineate the differences between Hillary and himself regarding partial birth abortion quite effectively. But that was it. There was no other discussion about any other aspect of abortion. He didn't use the phrase "I'm pro life". He didn't condemn all abortions.

I would say, yes, Trump is the better choice for those that are anti partial birth abortion.

Like this would make a difference for you. You are pro-Hillary.

“As far as Planned Parenthood is concerned, I'm pro-life,” Trump asserted on the debate stage at the University of Houston.

Trump also wrote: “Public funding of abortion providers is an insult to people of conscience at the least and an affront to good governance at best.”

“I've become pro-life,” Trump continued, “and the reason is, I've seen -- in my case, one specific situation -- but numerous situations that have made me to go that way.”

Trump replied, “Well, I think that what we're doing -- and I think it's a very important element in what I've done -- I have become pro-life.”

Sunday on NBC's “Meet the Press” with Chuck Todd, Trump said, “Planned Parenthood does a lot, a really good job in a lot of different areas, but not on abortion.”

Sixteen years later during the Fox News debate on Aug. 6, he said, “I am pro-life .... I hate the concept of abortion. And then since then, I've very much evolved. I am very, very proud to say that I am pro-life.”​

 

[InTheLight]

All or nothing fallacy denial. Thank you.

Yes, your question was all or nothing. Next.

 

[HankD]

Don't need to ask, he would want my life saved. He would thank the Dr for his help and give praise where it is due, to God alone for my life.


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You know bw that if it is necessary for you to have to stay in a hospital then you are probably supporting abortion unless it is a Catholic hospital. Part of the insurance payment and your co-pay go to the financial support of the hospital.

True none of us does good but just thought you might like to know this if you hadn't thought of it.

Just about everyone in our church goes to Saint Peters here in Olympia WA.
When I had to spend 8 days in the hospital after heart failure I went to Saint Josephs in Tacoma WA.

It was nice, at the end of the day at sunset they had a quiet time, music and prayer (of your choice).

The food was awful though, especially salt free! YUK.


I admire your consistency.

HankD

 

[Benjamin]

Yes, your question was all or nothing. Next.

Nope, my question was clearly true or false concerning the better choice and your answer was clearly all or nothing (denial of a simple truth).

As per the 3rd debate Trump was supporting the right to life of the unborn in contrast to Hillary’s pro-abortion position. Therefore, Trump is a better choice for those who are truly anti-abortion. True or false?

Case closed.

 

[TCassidy]

I have always maintained that they do no good and all they do centers around abortion.

And I have proven that is not true.

You will never here me say otherwise.

You will never admit you were wrong? Why does that not surprise me?

For you to claim otherwise is dishonest.

I'm dishonest? You are the one who posted an untruth that has been proven to be an untruth.

So again quote me where I said any of the above is immoral and should be banned.

Not good. Immoral, unvirtuous, vicious, vile, wicked. (Roget's 21st Century Thesaurus, Third Edition Copyright © 2013 by the Philip Lief Group.)

 

[TCassidy]

There was no other discussion about any other aspect of abortion.

"The primary responsibility of the federal government is to protect the rights of its citizens. Life is the most fundamental right. The federal government should not diminish this right by denying its’ protection. I am opposed to abortion except for rape, incest and life of the mother. I oppose the use of government funds to pay for abortions." Donald Trump September 16, 2016

He didn't use the phrase "I'm pro life".

“As far as Planned Parenthood is concerned, I'm pro-life,” Trump asserted on the debate stage at the University of Houston.

 

[InTheLight]

"The primary responsibility of the federal government is to protect the rights of its citizens. Life is the most fundamental right. The federal government should not diminish this right by denying its’ protection. I am opposed to abortion except for rape, incest and life of the mother. I oppose the use of government funds to pay for abortions." Donald Trump September 16, 2016

“As far as Planned Parenthood is concerned, I'm pro-life,” Trump asserted on the debate stage at the University of Houston.

All well and good. But that was not the third debate, held in Las Vegas. Besides, Trump rarely says much about pro-life. Certainly far, far less so than Romney or McCain did.

 

[InTheLight]

Case closed.

In your mind, yes.

A "better choice" does not mean it's a good choice. Almost anybody would be a better choice than Hillary Clinton when it comes to abortion. Certainly anybody with an R after their name. So any RINO. Like Trump.

 

[TCassidy]

But that was not the third debate, held in Las Vegas.

So what? Did something have to be said in Las Vegas to be true?

Besides, Trump rarely says much about pro-life. Certainly far, far less so than Romney or McCain did.

So what, again. He said it. Period.

My dad was a man who was not very demonstrative. I noticed as I got older that he never told me mother that he loved her. That bothered me, so I asked mom about it. She just laughed and said, "The day we got married he said 'I love you. And if I ever change my mind, you will be the first to know.' He never changed his mind." He died of cancer in 1979, but she lived until 2008, and missed him every day of that 29 years.

It is not how often you say it. It is that you mean it when you say it. I believe Trump believes it. He has changed his mind about a lot of things, abortion being one of the most important. The man that never changes is the man who never grows.