I read that and it is nothing but "boilerplate" total depravity! No discussion of soul and spirit and body. You are being "totally evasive" and, thus, Calvinistic in your response.
skypair
WE might as well get this out in the open...
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by skypair, Feb 11, 2007.
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Can you think in terms of 3?
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I'm sorry skypair but you did ask in what way are we like God and scripture, not Calvanistic responses, says in no way man.
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In an earlier post I had said I follow the tripartite view and related body to physical awareness, soul to self awareness and spirit to God awareness.
Here are some passages which I believe bear this out concerning the spirit...
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: (He witnesses to our spirit not our soul).
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (in spirit, not in soul)
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (is spirit, not soul)
John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. (not born of the Soul)
Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
This is an interesting passage because "the natural man" is refered to here as "psuchikos" or the "soulish" man, while the one who "spiritually" discerns is referred to as "pneumatikos".
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To support the tripartite view, one must be able to
a) make a clear distinctionbetween the different parts
b) and show that these distinctions hold true throughout Scripture
One verse is not sufficient as long as there are other reasonable ways to read the verse.
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Plus, your last if equating Christ to the body of God I notice you don't support with Scripture. That fact makes it seem as if you are forcing Scripture into your own extrabiblical system of thinking.
But maybe I am just missing something which you can elucidate upon.
Let me ask it this way - what would be the doctrinal problem with simply reading Scripture without insisting on a clear distinction between soul and spirit (as you agree, after all, Scripture is ambiguous about it)? What sort of doctrinal difficulties would that create? -
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As created beings we are all equal with equal and have the moral imperative to relate to each other as such. Thus, there is nothing moral or immoral about genocide in itself. What is moral or immoral is determined by heart motives and relationship to others. So, it is impossible for us to 'copy' God in relationship to genocide since doing so on our own authority would necessarily violate our position as created beings. Its not that genocide is wrong, but that its wrong for equal beings to do so to one another.
However, God can grant us the authority as instruments of His will and thus the action becomes moral. Its not moral simply because God commands it - it is moral because God is acting on His nature and we are merely His chosen instruments by which He chooses to act. Again, it is morality extending directly from God's nature. There is not difference between the morality of God and of man - merely different positions which dictate our relationship to that morality. -
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Try this one:
1. Human spirit is different from demonic spirits is different from Holy Spirit.
2. The soul/spirit is an interface between a human body
and the external spirits above.
3. While the human soul and human spirit are spoken of in
the Bible almost randomly, see how the Bible reads if
the emphasis of 'human soul' is the 'human body' and
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Hank
Also, beginning with instinct, many of our actions are born of the flesh -- even sin. But our spirit and our life thereafter is reborn of the Holy Spirit.
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I'll try my best, dw
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skypair -
What is the problem with the view that
a) the inward man is justified immediately
b) the inward man is sanctified progressively as we live
c) the outward man is glorified at the resurrection?
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Hi Skypair;
I believe Paul agreed with you it certainly seems by this verse below he is speaking of three distinct entities.
1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
MB
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How do you, Biblically, come to the conclusion that
a) the Father is the overarching identity of God
b) and that the Son and Spirit will be subsumed back into God?
a) How do you assert that the book of life is your soul?
b) what do you refer to by the "book of works"? And how do you assert that it is also our soul?
a) the rest of Scripture doesn't maintain the distinction
b) there are other reasonable explanations for the distinction in those two verses which fall within the bipartite view.
The distinction in those verses seems to be more along the line of a mind/will/emotions sort of distinction. Sure, we often distinguish between but we don't claim that this makes us a 5 part person - physical, soul, mind, will and emotions. Why insist on that when it comes to the soul/spirit distinction?
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However since
a) Scripture as a whole doesn't seem to recognize that distinction
b) there are other reasonable explanations of the apparent distinction
then this verse would not be sufficient to support the tripartite view.
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