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We're a nation of takers, not makers...

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carpro

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There are many reasons why manufacturing jobs are moving off shore. I'd say labor costs are number one, then taxes, then regulations.

No where did I say that it "didn't matter" that government jobs were growing. I did object to the article's attempted linkage of the decrease in manufacturing jobs with state being unable to pay their bills. I don't see the cause and effect. The apparent implication is that people are leaving manufacturing jobs in droves and entering government employment. It's simply a poorly written article.

If you say so.:tonofbricks:

Your "apparent implication" was that our manufacturing and farming efficiency was the reason more people are going to work for the government.

I don't see the cause and effect there either.
 

InTheLight

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Your "apparent implication" was that our manufacturing and farming efficiency was the reason more people are going to work for the government.

I don't see the cause and effect there either.

I didn't even hint at such a thing. Go back and read post #3 in this thread.

Perhaps it would be well to read what I actually say instead of what you think I am saying. Good advice for this entire board, in fact.
 

carpro

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I didn't even hint at such a thing. Go back and read post #3 in this thread.

Perhaps it would be well to read what I actually say instead of what you think I am saying. Good advice for this entire board, in fact.

Quit running backwards. Of course, you did.

But that's the problem with "implications", isn't it?

You see it when you think others do it, but are blind to it when you do it.
 

billwald

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>If we are so effecient, it shouldn't matter that manufacturing jobs are moving offshore at such a breakneck pace while government jobs, and other non productive jobs, grow exponentially.

In this century, "efficiency" means replacing human labor with machines thus eliminating jobs. The only jobs left are non productive jobs and those which require human contact. We will be in deeper trouble when a hotel room service robot is designed.
 

Havensdad

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The fact is that manufacturing, fishing, farming, and mining have all become more efficient. The sheer number of people are no longer needed to produce the same number of goods, grow the same number of crops, or catch the same amount of fish. Technological advances have increased productivity immensely.

I'm failing to see how an increase in efficiency in these industries is making it harder for states to pay their bills?

Perhaps if the article homed-in on the idea that we have too many government workers earning wages regulating out lives and left the non sequitur jab at manufacturing out of it, I'd more readily receive its message.

Um, yeah...you missed one: CONSTRUCTION was in there as well. Do you realize the enormous percentage of the workforce that is construction workers? On every house that is being built in America right now, there are 5 or more workers. On every large building that is being built, there are hundreds. You are talking about nearly 8 million jobs, just in this one field...


That is RIDICULOUS> the number of government employees should be exceedingly small compared to those jobs that actually bring money into the economy...
 

carpro

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Perhaps it would be well to read what I actually say instead of what you think I am saying.

Good advice. Why don't you heed it and reread the article.

Maybe it'll "imply" something different next time.:thumbs:

Maybe you can even come up with an original thought instead of just regurgitating the same thing the author said.

From the source:

The employment trends described here are explained in part by hugely beneficial productivity improvements in such traditional industries as farming, manufacturing, financial services and telecommunications. These produce far more output per worker than in the past. The typical farmer, for example, is today at least three times more productive than in 1950.

I don't believe you read it at all.
 
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carpro

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Um, yeah...you missed one: CONSTRUCTION was in there as well. Do you realize the enormous percentage of the workforce that is construction workers? On every house that is being built in America right now, there are 5 or more workers. On every large building that is being built, there are hundreds. You are talking about nearly 8 million jobs, just in this one field...


That is RIDICULOUS> the number of government employees should be exceedingly small compared to those jobs that actually bring money into the economy...

But...but...but

construction is more efficient, isn't it? Even so, the vast majority of construction labor is now filled by a certain ethnic minority.

Most of the white people quit and went to work for the government or just decided welfare was more befitting their exalted status...and less strenuous to boot.

Takers, not makers.
 

InTheLight

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Maybe you can even come up with an original thought instead of just regurgitating the same thing the author said.


I don't believe you read it at all.

I read the first 3 or 4 paragraphs. No, I didn't read the whole thing, because the author's faulty logic made me quit reading. I did not read the paragraph you highlighted. Didn't need to, really, because I already knew there have been vast productivity gains in those particular industries. (Which is probably why they were selected.)
 

carpro

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I read the first 3 or 4 paragraphs. No, I didn't read the whole thing, because the author's faulty logic made me quit reading. I did not read the paragraph you highlighted. Didn't need to, really, because I already knew there have been vast productivity gains in those particular industries. (Which is probably why they were selected.)

Maybe you ought to try reading what he really said instead of what you think he implied. Apparently you did need to read it before making a fool of yourself.
 

InTheLight

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Maybe you ought to try reading what he really said instead of what you think he implied. Apparently you did need to read it before making a fool of yourself.

Ya know Carpro, I usually enjoy your posts, but this is a bit over the top. Into the killfile for thee.
 

Robert Snow

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Carrying ITL's point to it's logical conclusion, it simply means your industry is not efficient enough.

Could it be because many in your industry are overpaid for what they do?

Or it could be corporate greed, something you have no clue about!
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Or it could be corporate greed, something you have no clue about!

Depends....If robert makes something thats hand crafted & precision & in demand that he has a fighting chance. But if it has become a commodity, he is less likely to maintain his employment over the years. At any rate, as Americans we should want him to be able to have enough take home to feed his family & have pride in what he does. We also want him & family to reinvest in America. Heaven forbid we should become China where people are made to live in small cramped rooms & working for a bag of rice each week to stay alive.

Come on this is America. Lets get back to making & building & consuming our own stuff vs buying Chinese junk at Wal-Mart.
 

carpro

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Or it could be corporate greed, something you have no clue about!

Their purpose is to make money. If they don't you don't have a job at all.

But we all know "profit" is a dirty word to liberals.

I have an idea.

If it bothers you, move to Europe.:wavey: There are plenty of nanny states with confiscatory tax policies there. You can keep about 25% of your income, work 30 hours a week with 4 weeks vacation every year and let the state do the rest.

Cradle to grave protection You'd love it. Of course, you won't have those ol' evil corporations to blame when it all comes crashing down around your ears either.

All you'll have to do is look in the mirror. Just like now. But perhaps then you'll see an image with their eyes open. And then again , maybe not. It's a lesson liberals never learn. Being jealous of the success of others, and coveting what the successful have along with blaming their own failures on others, is just a way of life for lefties.
 

carpro

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Depends....If robert makes something thats hand crafted & precision & in demand that he has a fighting chance. But if it has become a commodity, he is less likely to maintain his employment over the years. At any rate, as Americans we should want him to be able to have enough take home to feed his family & have pride in what he does. We also want him & family to reinvest in America. Heaven forbid we should become China where people are made to live in small cramped rooms & working for a bag of rice each week to stay alive.

Come on this is America. Lets get back to making & building & consuming our own stuff vs buying Chinese junk at Wal-Mart.

If the union destroyers of our national competitiveness have their way, the Chinese junk at Wal-Mart will get more expensive, with no alternative on the shelf next to it.
 

carpro

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Ya know Carpro, I usually enjoy your posts, but this is a bit over the top. Into the killfile for thee.

I don't blame you. You didn't read the source article, but were critical of it, even though it covered the point you did.

You got caught and you don't like it. I understand.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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If the union destroyers of our national competitiveness have their way, the Chinese junk at Wal-Mart will get more expensive, with no alternative on the shelf next to it.

As Ive said before Carpro....we have to move together as one Country & stop greedy banksters & the Unions that are not concerned with workers or anyone else but them selves. You & I both entered into the Military (as so many others also have) to protect the USA....we cannot have it destroyed from within. We have to become self sufficient again.....and nobody can be a slacker. Roberts correct about corporate greed & your right about Labor Unions who are also greedy. I implore all Americans today, dont let the sacrifice of others be put to shame. Throw out the political cronies, the lobbyists & the bankers robbing us blind & start taking back America for the citizens who live & work on these shores.
 

Robert Snow

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As Ive said before Carpro....we have to move together as one Country & stop greedy banksters & the Unions that are not concerned with workers or anyone else but them selves. You & I both entered into the Military (as so many others also have) to protect the USA....we cannot have it destroyed from within. We have to become self sufficient again.....and nobody can be a slacker. Roberts correct about corporate greed & your right about Labor Unions who are also greedy. I implore all Americans today, dont let the sacrifice of others be put to shame. Throw out the political cronies, the lobbyists & the bankers robbing us blind & start taking back America for the citizens who live & work on these shores.

This is beyond Carpro's comprehension. To him, corporate profit is god. Nothing else matters. There is no responsibility to do right by the people who actually produce to make that profit. He would fit in perfectly in the South during the days of slavery.

The odd thing is posters like him are only concerned with politics, especially the politics of big business. Check out how many posts concerning spiritual things or things concerning Christ he has made, if indeed he has made any. By this it is easy to see where his priorities are, certainly not with things about Christian doctrine or Christian living.
 

Bro. Curtis

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Yeah, carpro. Why don't you go insult some Calvinists, then you can have some REAL credibility, like dragonfly does.
 

FR7 Baptist

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If the union destroyers of our national competitiveness have their way, the Chinese junk at Wal-Mart will get more expensive, with no alternative on the shelf next to it.

Unions are some of the strongest supporters of trade protectionism. IOW, you're full of it, as usual.
 
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