Adam and Eve both sinned. ("Eve was in the transgression first." 1 Timothy 2:14)
Eve sinned in listening to the serpent instead of her husband (remember, God gave the command not to eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil to Adam before Eve was created).
Adam sinned in that, with his eyes wide open, he chose his wife over his God.
But Adam's sin was the sin that condemned the entire human race. He knew better. Eve was deceived.
Were Adam & Eve sinless.....
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by ktn4eg, Jun 14, 2013.
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No doubt Adam and Eve were familiar with all creatures (for Scriptures state Adam gave names to each).
What better way than for the enemy of the believer to take on the disguise of a creature in which both Adam and Eve would be familiar and perhaps have even enjoyed visiting with upon occasion?
Does not the Scriptures state, "No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light."
If Satan can disguise himself, then it can very well be that the creature that deceived Eve could have been both a familiar serpent and Satan.
Also, you seem to be implying that there was some type of language barrier between Adam, Eve and the creatures. I don't know that that is the case. Remember the prophet's donkey? -
all you are doing is what man has been doing for centuries--taking that tradition as absolute truth--and don't even study it out but throw that tradition in the scriptures and its not even there -
If so, what is your view, and what do you use as Scripture to support your view? -
Satan is a loan word--it has never been a name for a fallen angel
you refer to rise above god--that scripture is referring to a king(Man)in his pride and arrogance towards God
show plain scripture of an event of an angel falling from God's abode. -
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For instance: The Bible calls this created being,"And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;...":
So, however you view the origins of Satan, it must conform to Scripture. That serpent of the garden was the devil, Satan, the dragon ... . -
This lamb, foreordained before the foundation of the world would be a man brought forth by a woman, a virgin, who had been conceived by God Holy Spirit within her.
Why?
And Jehovah God layeth a charge on the man, saying, `Of every tree of the garden eating thou dost eat; and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it -- dying thou dost die.' Gen 2:16,17 YLT
It was already foreordained the lamb would die. Not if something took place. The lamb was going to die and redeem man. From what?
I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes. Hosea 13:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: Rev 12:9
I do not think it was Adam.
Adam did what God knew Adam would do and the lamb was born: This one is he who did come through water and blood -- Jesus the Christ, not in the water only, but in the water and the blood; 1 John 5:7 YLT -
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Eve was "deceived" and therefore not the willful sinner. Adam had full knowledge of the crime and sinned willfully. See the Scriptures:
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
No wonder you have such a preposterous view of Genesis....you don't even understand chapter 3...........
If you comprehended Chapters 1 and 2, you would be party to the knowledge that God only personally instructed Adam (Eve wasn't formed) and also only Adam was party to having witnessed God creating....thus, Eve had little or no IMMEDIATE knowledge of God's identity and his place in creation. She had NO IDEA whether Adam's injunctions against eating from the tree were from "God" or not.....she only assumed as much from Adam's instructions. Read the foundational book of the Bible AGAIN. It's VERY instructive if you pay attention to it.
If you get something so utterly BASIC wrong, no wonder you don't know a fig about who Cain's wife was.................(his sister, or a neice/great-neice etc...).
I'd do ANYTHING if we could all agree that no one should be allowed to run their soup-cooler about the Scriptures if they haven't read and understood Genesis chapters 1-10....that's all I ask....The first 10 chapters of the WHOLE book. You can depart as far as you want if you get those few passages right.
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