No animosity on my part. I'm sorry you feel that way. I just think the whole "protesting" thing is misguided. I see no Scriptural mandate for it. And I think it is especially misguided to think that everyone needs to join your cause. I only have one cause, and that is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.Sopranette said:
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Sopranette
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I don't have a cause, I just can't stand to see people misinterprete The Word. That, to me, is unacceptable. And damaging. Silence, by very definition, says nothing at all.
So if someone called you a vulgar name...and you remain silent...you've said nothing by turning and walking away? I don't think so.Sopranette said:
Don't get me wrong, I can't stand when they do that too, but you are only fueling their fire by stooping to their worldly level.
I also can't stand muslims stating Ishmael, not Israel was the chosen child.
I also can't stand that Mary is the mediator between God and man in the RCC.
Sopranette
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I'm dismayed by the full spectrum of opinions. And I'm American, to boot, too! Well, this is my last post on this subject. I thought there would be more solidarity, but I guess not! This is why others see Christians as so docile. Jesus will take care of all the evil. Well, we will ALL get our day of judgement, that's true. In the Bible, people were more willing to stamp out what was obviously evil. Not so today...too PC. Freedom of speech and all that. How sad, that we have become sooo complacent. Prayer, and silence, and just look the other way. Just look the other way, it'lll be okay. That's the Christian way. That's why others can get away with literally Murder. Except for a few, thank you so much for words of wisdom. And yes, we CAN change the world, each one of us, for the better. We are God's soldiers. That, I truly believe.
Love,
Sopranette
Love,
Sopranette
PastorSBC1303
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Andy T said:
I agree completely. No where does Jesus call us to protest. No where in Acts do we see the early church protesting. Jesus calls us to give Him our lives and take the Gospel into all the earth making disciples.
Believers and churches today can get so caught up in different things such as this that they completely loose their focus on the gospel.
Seems to me, turn the other cheek means silence, no retaliation of any kind, either physical or verbal, and silence can speak volumes. Does a person in your life have to constantly say they love you for you to know they love you, or does their silence speak for them. Maybe you aren't married, and it seems you might be younger.
mcdirector
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I'm for speaking out against this kind of abberation when the occassion arises, but organize a protest? I think we have to be careful to show love in all we do - to show restraint which is in opposition to what Phelps's group is doing.
I've got to agree with the others that it is in the sharing of the gospel that change will be made. Let's show the community how we are different so that we stand in stark contrast to the Phelps of the world.
I've got to agree with the others that it is in the sharing of the gospel that change will be made. Let's show the community how we are different so that we stand in stark contrast to the Phelps of the world.
Sopranette
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Ok. Only other Christians understand what the Phelps are doing, NOT the ones balancing between saved and unsaved.
And, yes, I am married with children, and I guess I am relitively young. Not that that's any of your business. I have triplettes, all boys!
This is sooo disappointing, to me, this thread. I really feel downcast today. I expected more from you, (BB.com) for some reason. Silence is just that...silence. Silence speaks nothing, to everyone.
Sopranette
And, yes, I am married with children, and I guess I am relitively young. Not that that's any of your business. I have triplettes, all boys!
This is sooo disappointing, to me, this thread. I really feel downcast today. I expected more from you, (BB.com) for some reason. Silence is just that...silence. Silence speaks nothing, to everyone.
Sopranette
Sopranette said:
In Eccl 3 it states that there is a time to be silent.
Eccl. 3:7, "A time to tear apart and a time to sew together; A time to be silent and a time to speak. "
In John 8 you will notice there was a time when Jesus said nothing.
John 8:3-11, "The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the center of the court, they said to Him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act. "Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?" They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court. Straightening up, Jesus said to her, "Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?" She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more."
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Army Cpl. Ryan Dallam died for The United States
of America on 6 April 2007 in Baghdad Iraq.
A memorial service to celebrate the life of Ryan
was held at First Christian Church, Norman, OK
today (13 Apr 2007).
Thank you Ryan. We will use the 'nother day'
you gave of of freedom to ring a bell & light
a candle in your honor. Some of us still
appreciate such contributions.
The Senior Minister at First Christian Church
had this to say:
away (the first Baptist Church of Norman,
OK /SBC and Mainstream Baptist/ is only two
blocks away), five members (one notes ONE CAR FULL)
of the Westboro Baptist Church were doing their
thing at an intersection. Well, they parked at a bank
and were blocked from the corner by the counter protesters.
The counter protesters were about 80 members
of the American veterans Motorcycle Club, 20 cops,
a hundred local works.
One of our local Drag Queens made an appearnce.
as well
of America on 6 April 2007 in Baghdad Iraq.
A memorial service to celebrate the life of Ryan
was held at First Christian Church, Norman, OK
today (13 Apr 2007).
Thank you Ryan. We will use the 'nother day'
you gave of of freedom to ring a bell & light
a candle in your honor. Some of us still
appreciate such contributions.
The Senior Minister at First Christian Church
had this to say:
Meanwhile, 2 hours before and three blocks
away (the first Baptist Church of Norman,
OK /SBC and Mainstream Baptist/ is only two
blocks away), five members (one notes ONE CAR FULL)
of the Westboro Baptist Church were doing their
thing at an intersection. Well, they parked at a bank
and were blocked from the corner by the counter protesters.
The counter protesters were about 80 members
of the American veterans Motorcycle Club, 20 cops,
a hundred local works.
One of our local Drag Queens made an appearnce.
as well
Sopranette,
honestly? I think that why we really don't say much in response to them is because we see that the world doesn't take them seriously either. Ive seen a couple of news stories involving them, but invariably someone brings up the fact that this is not what the majority of Baptists stand for. It is widely understood that Phelps and his church are a "kook fringe" who have hijacked the Baptist name. Ive even heard this said by non-baptists.....
otoh, I have heard many protest against them.....just not necessarily an organized protest. You realize they travel the country looking for things to protest? Each of us has an important corner of the world to minister to. That's why God put us there. And that's where we need to concentrate our efforts.
This is one of the good things about Baptist independence from each other. His heresy stays at his church, and is not spread (through authority) to other churches.
honestly? I think that why we really don't say much in response to them is because we see that the world doesn't take them seriously either. Ive seen a couple of news stories involving them, but invariably someone brings up the fact that this is not what the majority of Baptists stand for. It is widely understood that Phelps and his church are a "kook fringe" who have hijacked the Baptist name. Ive even heard this said by non-baptists.....
otoh, I have heard many protest against them.....just not necessarily an organized protest. You realize they travel the country looking for things to protest? Each of us has an important corner of the world to minister to. That's why God put us there. And that's where we need to concentrate our efforts.
This is one of the good things about Baptist independence from each other. His heresy stays at his church, and is not spread (through authority) to other churches.
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Sopranette
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John 2:15
"And when he had made a scourge of small cords, HE DROVE THEM ALL OUT of the temple...and overthrew the tables."
Jesus was not always silent and passive when confronted with blasphemy.
"And when he had made a scourge of small cords, HE DROVE THEM ALL OUT of the temple...and overthrew the tables."
Jesus was not always silent and passive when confronted with blasphemy.
Magnetic Poles
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In a free society, people are free to self-identify as hatemongers and idiots, and the Phelps clan has done just that. One is also free to counterprotest, but the attention is what feeds the Westboro hate machine. Their outrageous behavior is obviously attention-seeking.