Ummmm....
what's next on the menu ?
anything........exotic ?
we've baptized Roman Catholicism
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by nodak, Jan 13, 2011.
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pinoybaptist Active MemberSite Supporter
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Thinkingstuff Active Member
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tom Butler
I'm not quite sure what you mean by churchianity.
Tom:
The congregation at Corinth was instructed to exclude from the congregation an offending member. Paul told the Corinthian congregation (Ch 12) YOU are the body of Christ.
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Tom, I think you "get it."
Let me clarify a few things.
It isn't the content of the BFM I object to--it is the way some use it as higher than the scriptures, a litmus test for who is really saved and who isn't.
There is a passage of scripture that tells us we do not get to judge another's servant. My fellow Christians are God's servants, not this old grandma's.
And not yours, whoever you may be.
We are told in scripture to "let each be fully convinced in his own mind." That is the seed kernal of a seemingly lost old Baptist teaching: the priesthood of the believer.
So, yes, we may need to debate ISSUES in the church.
But there simply is no excuse, before the Lord, in my opinion, for namecalling and ridiculing.
Some churches call women as SS teachers. You may disagree with that practice and for good reason, but you have no business declaring she is "in rebellion." You cannot know her heart, and are not just judging her heart but the heart of everyone in that church. Nothing wrong with saying you believe they are engaging in an unscriptural action. Very wrong to judge their soul.
Some are YEC, others are OEC including gap theory. You may find gap theory to be all wet and unscriptural and feel led to proclaim that fact. Fine and dandy. But to sarcastically state the gap is between the ears of those who hold to it again crosses the line.
We will stand and account for our every word before the Lord. So yes, we need to stand up for truth as we understand it. But we also need to speak the truth in love.
I believe in assembling and do so every Sunday if at all possible. But I don't kid myself--the church also assembles in my town in homes, at Starbucks', at McDonald's, at pick up tailgates, and lots of other places that are not registered for tax deductible donations.
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nodak,
I'm a bit confused by your post #24. You addressed it to me, but it appears to me that you are making some general statements, and are not refuting things that I said. The reason I'm thinking this is that I didn't say most of the things you refer to.
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About the "one church" issue. We would be better served to speak of the Bride of Christ -- which is His church -- of all the born again Christians who have ever lived. While we have local congregations, all exist together under one Shepherd and one Lord, Jesus Christ.
About "baptizing" RC theology, we're running headlong into it these days, and all the debates on the board seem to bear that out. I wonder just how many here who argue for human involvement in the salvation process realize that they're arguing more of a RC theology than a Protestant or Evangelical theology. The Reformers broke from Catholicism and in that break, they returned to a very biblio-centric view, with a Sovereign God that did not need human priests to do His work. Consider just how many here suggest that humans act the role of a human priest when they come to God in "faith" before the salvific act.
We would be wise to take a moment to re-discover the 5 Solas of the Reformation:
1 Sola scriptura ("by Scripture alone")
2 Sola fide ("by faith alone")
3 Sola gratia ("by grace alone")
4 Solus Christus or Solo Christo ("Christ alone" or "through Christ alone")
5 Soli Deo gloria ("glory to God alone")
In particular, this line is telling:
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Judgement against our friends, family, neighbors and strangers simmers deep within our hearts. Occasionally it might pop out as gossip or a sharp word, but we try to police ourselves about that, because we know it sounds bad. We don’t want to be known as judgmental people, but truthfully, even when we don’t actually say what we’re thinking, it is just so easy to harbor our verdicts, the bitter condemnations of people around us, deep in our hearts. We don’t want to judge. We know we’re not supposed to, but it just comes so easily to us.
One of the problems here is that we try to avoid judgmental behaviors without really working on judgmental attitudes. We try to catch that stuff before it gets out of our mouths, but really, by the time we get to that place we’ve really already lost the battle. The mouth is just speaking out of the abundance of the heart, and it’s the fact that all that condemnation is in our heart that is really the issue. Our morality begins with our identity, or at least our understanding of our identity. The way we understand ourselves controls the way we interact with other people and perceive them in powerful ways.
Steven Hovater
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Tom--no attempt to refute you, but agreeing with you!
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From BobinKy's post #27
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Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Jerusalem, seeing how Christ was crucified outside of the city. i think it has a more deeper meaning somehow. also the poster, may have some deep animosity due to his upbringing and subsequent conversion. i can understand this. but im sure there are Catholics who have converted from protestantism, who feel the same as him. both are wrong. if we dont love according to the Gospel, then we are nothing. we can judge, but not a persons eternal destiny, or their standing with God. that is His servant, not ours. and before Him we stand or Fall. look at what the apostle John says. Love one another. look at what Jesus says. "the two greatest commandments are these. that you love the Lord your God, with all your heart soul and mind. and the second is like it. that you love your neighbor as yourself." we must keep this in mind. when dealing with everyone. Peace
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