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  1. Iconoclast

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    OK good.I suspected you would offer more if questioned.
    On pt5....I would suggest Gen 3:15 is seen by believers as the first gospel promise.
     
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    The impact of the Scofield Bible was very large.I had 3 copies but have moved away from his false notes.
    Some notes were helpful ,but much error in there also.
     
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    In the last part of the video JM mocks Amill saying it is not in the bible.
    He avoids the texts that might point to it.
    This leaves the listeners trapped.
    They trust him,not necessarily the scripture.
     
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    Remembered that the 1917 Scofield notes seem to imply that Jews were saved under the old Covenant by keeping the Mosaic law!
     
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    As a new Christian I read primarily the verses.in.it.
    But some of Scofields notes were helpful to me at that time.
    I do not regret having learned that system.It took several years to get the basics and then see what the issues were.
    I did not have the spiritual knowledge to grasp the Correct view of the law of God and the Christian.
    From my experience from state to state visits....many are badly confused on the law and the Christian.
     
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    Hello George,
    No one that I know believes in replacement theology.
    Everyone I know believes the promises formerly revealed to Israel are fulfilled
    As unbelieving Branches are broken off the Olive tree....as Covenant breakers.
    Elect gentiles now join with the elect remnant of believing Israelites unequal footing....in the True Israel... The servant of the Lord...isa49:1-8.
    The mystery spoken of in Eph2-3....Jew and Gentile...one new man.
    A new Exodus....A full Israel.
     
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    No, Israel & Judah haven't been re-united into one nation again. And there's still not many Jews that have become elect yet.
     
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    Elect Jews are already elect they get discovered by the preaching of the Gospel they don't become elect they are elect and God brings them to faith when He draws them to Salvation.
     
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    As my math teacher was wont to tell me: "same difference".
     
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    A few are, chosen by God for special service to Him, such as Paul was. However, he still had to choose to believe the Gospel, but that choice was easy, as Jesus made him "an offer he couldn't refuse". But most of the rest of us, Jew or gentile, must choose to believe the Gospel when we hear or read it. (Most parts of calvinism are false. God wants people who love Him of their own free will, not robots.)
     
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    We do not hold though that God is the Puppet master, pulling all of our strings!
     
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    no...it is totally different.one new man,one Church not two.
     
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    All believers have been elected by God before the world was.
    They are all called to be saints and to worship and serve God in whatever way God has equipped them to do it.
    All such sinners are brought from death to life, by God giving them a new heart making them willing.
    Any man made scheme, any suggestion of the "free will" of man is not supported by any verse or teaching contrary to jn.1:13
     
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    Same with replacement theology: 1 body, not 2.
     
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    inthe dispensationalism thread , some discussion took pla
    ce from the video when Sam Renihan said that some in the dispensational camp are [overly committed to the Gh form of interpretaion.
    It was questioned.but we might see an example of it here.
    Of course there is physical seed, and spiritual.Gal3 ;16-29 answers it all
    I think this response is not a response at all.
    Jesus corrected this wrong thinking;
    If you were Abrahams children.....in jn 8 saying those physical seed were of the ungodly seed.

    They were physical seed[sperma]
    They were not [tecknon]
    If any Sperma Abraham get saved they are Tecknon Abraham.....
    Any physical Jew getting saved now or in the future are tecknon....

    You are not suggesting that somehow Jews get saved physical Jews yet saved and are not Then spiritual the tecknon of God?
     
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    Many thousands of Jews believed John & were baptised - many then following Jesus
    Jesus' disciples baptised continued baptising;
    The believers in Jerusalem during Jesus' last week were so many and influential that the Pharisees & priests were afraid of them, and arrested, tried & condemned Jesus overnight;
    3,000 Jews from "every nation under heaven" formed the church at Pentecost, & 5,000 a few days later, then before Stephen's arrest, a great number of priests. (Acts 6)

    Thus Acts teaches that many thousands of Jews from Judea and the dispersion became believers - we can infer that these included the lost tribes of Israel.

    Then, the unbelieving Jews who rejected the Gospel and condemned Stephen were denounced as "uncircumcised."

    Soon after, Samaritans were welcomed & then Romans were baptised without circumcision.

    The Gospel remained wide open to Jews, but all the elements of Judaism had no significance. They were destroyed in 70AD as prophesied by Gabriel (Dan. 9) and Jesus. (Mat. 24, Mark 13, Luke 21)

    Prophecy concerned Israel was fulfilled, FINISHED, by Jesus. All the covenant promises are theirs in Christ.
     
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    Since the Bible says it's impossible to keep the Law they weren't saved. Only Faith in God saved.
    MB
     
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    That's right! Old Testament Jews have been raised from the dead, David is a prince in Zion right now, Jerusalem is the highest mountain in the world, Israel is at peace and ruling the nations with no wars or famines or pestilences, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are eating bread over there, Moses and Elijah are on the right and left hands of Christ as he sits on David's throne ruling the nations with a rod of iron, the land of Edom is pitch and brimstone, all Israel is saved, no one needs to tell them to know the Lord, and the nations take hold of the skirt of a Jew and seek his spiritual leadership, and the state of Israel stretches from the Euphrates to Sihor (the Nile) today, and a highway stretches from Iraq to Egypt, and the animals are all herbivores in that land!
    I don't know how people can miss it. You tell 'em!
     
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    We will.
     
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