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Featured What are the Essentials of Christian Faith?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Yeshua1, Dec 17, 2016.

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  1. Jesus death was Atonement for Sins

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  2. Jesus had a Physical bodily Resurrection

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  3. Jesus will have a Second Coming, and must hold to preMil viewpoint

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  4. Bible is fully inerrant/infallible

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  5. Mode of Water Baptism

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  6. Salvation by Grace alone thru faith alone

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  7. ALL who die who never received Jesus as Lord are Lost

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  8. Spiritual Gifts now ceased

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  1. Baptist Believer

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    You are saying that one must have knowledge of facts to be saved, instead of having knowledge of the Savior.

    Knowing the Savior is what is essential.
     
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    Must know the real Jesus, and that is the biblical one, and must know real Gospel, ad that is all theology!

    Just to be able to know Him and have eternal life reflects some theology you have!
     
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    Your grammar and spelling make it difficult to understand your points.

    I agree that knowing Jesus provides theology, but the simple knowledge of persons is more important than factual knowledge. Factual knowledge does not save you, nor does knowledge of the Person of Jesus (the demons fear Him), but being in communion with Jesus is what brings salvation.

    It is very easy to fall into the Gnostic trap of thinking that a certain knowledge construct (an orthodox theology) brings one into communion with God.
     
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    Faith in Jesus saves us, as He did the work on Cross to have God freely justify us, but if I do not have the real Jesus, but say Mormon, Jw one, has not my theology given to me no salvation?
     
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    I'm not sure what you mean here. Are you saying that communion saves you?. Communion damns you if your heart is not right with God. What saves is believing in Jesus Christ.His comming to save us. His death, and resurrection. Confessing Christ is Lord of our lives. Communion means nothing with out being saved.
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    We have theology, doctrines from th Bibe, that show to us if we have the real Gospel and Jesus rhar saves us!
     
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    One does not have communion (aka "common union") with Christ unless one's heart is right.

    The demons believe what you describe about salvation, death and resurrection. Communion is greater than belief. It is a relationship with Jesus where the two of you are living as one - the student learning from the Teacher - in the rhythms of life. It is laying down one's previous life and entering into a new life union with Jesus in community.

    You misunderstood what I was trying to communicate. One is not "saved" without entering into communion with Christ.
     
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    If you have never met Jesus, you are not "saved."
     
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    Which Jesus saves though, as many people have a theology on a false one and still are lost!
     
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    We receive Him thru faith, and now have the Holy Spirit livng in us...
     
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    The One Who is introduced to us through the Spirit. If you seek God, you will find God.
     
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    If you know Christ and are in communion with Him, you will begin to exhibit the fruit of the Spirit as a natural consequence of that relationship. The fruit of the Spirit is not knowledge or rule-keeping, but a transforming of the character.

    Let me emphasize, I'm not diminishing knowledge, but putting it in its proper place. Communion with Christ provides an education as a natural consequence.
     
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    I understand, but in order to have a real relationship, a real knpwledge of the truth is needed!
    As the NT Epistles pretty much doctrines and how to apply them!
     
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    You meant a relationship. I understand and agree.
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    You need to know the One Who identified Himself and the Way, the Truth and the Life.
    The scriptures are wonderful, but they do not provide eternal life. You have to approach Jesus for eternal life. (See John 5:39-40)
     
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    Yes, eternal life is found only in Him, but we must make sure that our theolgy gives us the real Jesus!
     
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    The only doctrine is the doctrine of Jesus Christ accepting the authority of His word and studying it in context. Accepting, what does scripture say, and not necessarily what men say and have said. Many would rather take the word of man over what the Bible actually says. We are all, at times, influenced by others who claim they have the truth. The truth requires us to accept the Authority of God's word alone whether we like what it says or not. God's word deserves our absolute our submission to what it clearly says.
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    That would be us getting the proper theology of what te Bible is really teaching to us....
     
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    God's self-revelation can take a number of forms. One of the most common forms is through scripture. But God reveals Himself in other ways too, especially in places and situations where scripture is not readily available.

    Having a systematic way of thinking about God (theology) does not always precede personal knowledge of God. Life is found in personal knowledge of God.
     
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    The Christan Faith is having the real Jesus, and also in having the truths of His doctrines known and applied out!
     
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