All you did was say "it sounds like satan", you didn't actually say anything useful, just your own personal opinion, and you end with "I promise I'm right", and basically said if anyone argues against what you believe, then they lack an ability to understand God.
Which is appalling to say the very least.
What are your thoughts on music?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by FrigidDev, Mar 16, 2016.
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Second, if there were, you don't have to know anything about an industry to distinguish between the spirit of God, and the spirit of flesh, and the spirit of Satan.
As has already been pointed out, popularity is not a criteria for standards. If that were the case (if you'll pardon the ad absurdum) then we'd all be emo kids or at the very least be indy.
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Jordan Kurecki Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
The point is that you like this kind of music because it appeals to your flesh and makes you feel good with the dopamine rush that the music provides you..at its core nature that musical style promotes what is contrary to God, just because some people insert lyrics about Jesus, does not mean it is now sanctified.
There is a reason why a certain style of music is played at clubs, and hippie music festivals. Can you imagine anything close to the style of the classic hymn amazing grace getting a good reception with a bunch of drunk people? of course not. There is a reason for this.
People can come up with all kinds of reasons and excuses to justify worldly and carnal entertainment. -
While I agree with your conclusions about the music itself, but I disagree with your reasoning.
In the 18th century many rejected the use of hymns in worship for, essentially, appealing to the flesh. These hymns were not metrical psalms. They were hymns of “human composure”. It is interesting to think that all of those hymns you would sing were opposed by many on the ground you now stand. And what was objectionable was the words, not the music. Isaac Watts did not put his words to “death metal”….well....at least not in public O O.
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Jordan Kurecki Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
And i meant could you really imagine amazing grace in it's original form and style be appealing to those on drugs or alcohol. i almost guarantee you they will want something more appealing to their carnal flesh.
my point is simply that music communicates on it's own without emotion. I contend that there are certain musical styles that communicate a sinful appetite and attitude. I believe that just like certain lyrics to songs are inspired by Satan, so are certain types and forms of music. -
Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Yes, I have heard some of those I mentioned perform Amazing Grace in it's original form and style (although Joe Walsh used a guitar on his version). No, I disagree that music communicates on its own without emotion (but I also believe that for lyrics to be effective they carry emotion themselves as well). Focusing solely on the cognitive is just as bad as focusing solely on the emotion.
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You're making the same arguments over and over again.
Let me try and respond without bringing the subjective part into the debate.
1. Music can convey a message without having lyrics. (I believe true)
a. However, the medium is not 100% of the message. (you say it is 100%)
Let me illustrate. You have a classical song by Chopin(a personal favorite), which is relaxing, and an instrumental song by a death metal band, which is energizing.
From your logic, the death metal song would actually be worse than the Chopin song, and it would be fine to listen to Chopin.
Ok, great, let's take that in a different context. I have a classical song with lyrics like this "Oh hail Satan, etc, etc". Is that song perfectly fine to listen to? according to your logic, that "the medium is the message", it would be fine to listen to that song, since classical has a relaxing effect, unlike death metal, which is more aggressive music.
Obviously, you would have a problem with that song, and thus by counterexample, the medium is NOT the message.
If this was mathematics, I would have just made a slam dunk proof, just so you know.
2. Music is subjective.
a. Several of you have said that you cannot understand the lyrics...while that may be true, I can understand them, and many other fellow listeners can understand them as well, so any point you have about that is subjective and therefore invalid to apply generally.
b. People have been making the point that how you feel while listening to the song, can actually be holy, or evil. I strongly disagree. If I listen to a song that brings forth anger, and is energizing, then it is 100% up to me, how I channel that anger. If I am channeling it towards something not evil(i.e., hating satan, remembering to witness because people are going to hell, etc., etc.), then how is that in any way, bad? It's not.
Think of this...you're listening to what you think is a benign, christian song. They lyrics are great, stuff like "Oh I will serve you Lord, I love you with all my heart", and so on. At the end of the song, the singer closes with the line "And so lord of light, I end my worship", or something similar. To you, that means Jesus, but to someone else, that could mean Lucifer. Where are you now? You have a song that to you, is holy, with holy lyrics, but could in fact be a ballad to satan. For all you know, the singer who made the song, could secretly be a satanist, putting subtle references in his songs.
It's all about where you draw the line guys. With your logic, you could extend it like that, and come up with some outrageous conclusions. "Oh, I can't go play paintball, because it energizes me and makes me want to do violent things...". See what I mean?
So, if you don't like the music...don't listen to it. Just like I hate country music, and don't listen to it, so you shouldn't listen to death metal, if you don't like it.
It's a preference. What appeals to you, might not appeal to me, and vice versa.
The music itself is not inherently evil. Alright, the music itself might be inherently aggressive, but that is no indication that the song itself is "satanic". It's up to you, the listener, how you interpret that energy.
P.S., I don't get angry when I listen to this music, I don't know why you guys say you get mad and violent...I don't. Maybe if I was working out, it would make me work out harder. But just sitting here at the computer...I could switch from Chopin to death metal in a heartbeat and not have a change of mind. (And I actually do do that). -
No, just like I don't think that Rock music has anything to do with Rocks.
Death metal is a genre named after a band called "death", that introduced the iconic sound. So no, I don't see a style of music as clashing with Christianity, just based off of its name, or its sound. -
FrigidDev, I took a look at your profile and noticed that you say that you are sixteen years old. I mean this as no insult, but I wonder if you will change your thinking a bit when you mature in years. I know that I did.
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Pastor_Bob Well-Known Member
Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Pr 22:24 Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go: -
yes anger is definitely justified.
we already went over this earlier. Those verses are talking about fleshly anger. Like getting mad in traffic. Righteous anger/hate is justified.
Psalm 7:11
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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It's just the name of the genre. If you can't see past the name of the genre...I mean come on.
There's another genre I like, it's called Metalcore...have a problem with that? Well you shouldn't, because it's just a name -
Maybe you should have just called it "Christian Metal", Frigid, and left the "death", or "black", off the label. O O :D
Ha....I was about to say metalcore....although I think of metalcore as a fusion....like Demon Hunter....or is that nu metal.....ah....kids today....learn one new trick and it's a bygone genre. Laugh
It's better than what I listened to when I was young....er...... -
Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
How can a music genre entitled "death-metal" glorify God? What about that genre does "death" represent? -
Yea, it's a fusion between post-hardcore/hardcore with heavy metal.
Demon Hunter is melodic metal/metalcore .
I agree, the genres are kinda hard to keep up with :)
If you want a description of death metal, take this:
"Death metal is an extreme subgenre of heavy metal. It typically employs heavily distorted guitars, tremolo picking, deep growling vocals, blast beat drumming, minor keys or atonality, and complex song structures with multiple tempo changes."
Also, you're completely side-stepping all the different arguments, and focusing on something as petty as the name of the genre. -
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