Yes. My comment was that beyond what is stated in Scripture we need to "agree to disagree". Paul taught a "Christian liberty" with doctrines that abide outside of Scripture. This is seen not only with the Galatians and Corinthians but with Paul himself when he separated his own comments recorded in Scripture from being God "breathed".
To clarify, I am a Baptist and affirm the teaching of "Christian liberty" as presented by Paul in those passages. When scripture is silent about an issue where Christians disagree then they need to "agree to disagree". We test doctrine against the Bible, not tradition or the writings of other men.
We guard against cults not by inventing tradition (like the Pharisees and the RCC) but by turning to Scripture itself. If we stick to Scripture then Mormonism is wrong. When we go to tradition then Mormonism is just another opinion. We have to stick with God's Word, not man's.
What brings unity among brethren?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Iconoclast, Feb 2, 2019.
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I have scriptural support for my doctrine.....and most Baptists have scriptural support for their doctrine.
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When Paul spoke of this liberty it was not with such personal things. Paul's own belief was that the unmarried should remain unmarried. But he specified that this was his belief and not a command from God. And again, with regard to eating and drinking (food and drink sacrificed to idols) - Paul explained that the idol itself was powerless and it was simply food and drink. But those who could drink and eat with a good conscious are not to force their understanding on those who believe it would be participating in that idolatry. With the Galatians there were Christians who believed that the Gentiles should follow the Jewish customs derived from Scripture. The Counsel, however, acknowledged that differences in doctrine and practice did not mean disunity. They permitted these differences (God permitted these differences as the conclusion is "God breathed" scripture).
I am glad you have Scripture for your doctrine. I hope you also have doctrine for scripture. We should all have Scripture that supports our belief, interpretation, and theory. But we should also know what is fundamental and these things should actually be in Scripture.
As an example, I can support not purchasing a lottery ticket on Scripture. But I can also support the freedom to purchase a lottery ticket depending on one's situation. I can support the freedom of women to wear pants by Scripture. But I can also support the idea women should not wear pants by Scripture. The same is true of drinking alcohol, smoking cigars, watching secular movies, women wearing open toed shoes, women having short hair, men wearing head coverings in church, etc.
I care less about what you can support by scripture than I do about what scripture actually says. That is the difference that some people do not understand. Some would divide over women having short hair. Some over men not wearing suits. Some over allowing a divorced man to be deacon. Some over not allowing a divorced man to be a deacon. We attend to these differences IN THE CONGREGATION - not with other believers. Who are you to judge the servant of Another? The question was rhetorical. You are not. Scripture is the standard, not Christians, their interpretations, or their traditions.
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Romans 14:5
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I completely disagree with you, per your other post, that there is "extra-Biblical doctrine" outside of the Bible. It would be good for us to make a thread to do a study of 1Corinthians 10 so we can discuss the full context of the passage, and perhaps with prayer, come to a mutual full understanding of that passage. -
What brings unity among brethren?
This is an antichrist quotation, taken from the website, denying the Deity of Jesus Christ by the wresting of the scriptures: "Confessing Millerite Adventists believe that Christ is a divine and infinite Being having the form of God, and all the essential qualities of God, and yet not exactly God in the fullest sense possible."
This is the link to the (Smoking Gun) website: A Commentary on Philippians 2:6 - The Seventh-day Millerite / Adventist / Shubertian Forum -
I do not believe Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, ect to be Christian (although the secular world does).
So when I think of Christian unity I think of "united in Christ". I understand Christian congregations separate in terms of doctrine but I believe the point of division (apart from this doctrinal disagreement) has to be Scripture. Anything else is dividing the Body of Christ over human foctrine and philosophy.
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Some Tithe. Some don't. Some allow drinking in moderation. Some don't. Some call the pastor "pastor". Christians do allow extra-biblical doctrine to divide.
BUT my point is that we have to go to Scripture and not tradition. You will not change my mind on that point. But a discussion of 1 Cor 10 would be good. -
Luk_12:51 Think ye that I am come to give peace in the earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
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As touching your clarified position, (thank you for doing that) when Churches embrace antichrist religions and/or idiologies, such as Yoga, we have responsiblity first to rebuke them with sound Biblical Doctrine from The Holy Bible, with the aim of of saving them as of by fire. But if they reject the words of God, we must be separate from them.
In the Churches, we to be unified with the mind of Christ. We know that there are also unlearned in the Church; a good example is inviting someone to Church that is not a Believer so that they can have the opportunity to hear the Gospel and be saved, and so forth. We also should acknowledge that there are varying levels of Christian maturity among Believers, for example, there are new born babes in Christ that have much to learn from reading and studying The Holy Bible, and there are many that are Believers, but have not follow through in their reading and studying, and so they lack understanding of passages and Books of the Bible. I share this to make the point that distinguishment is to be made between Believers and unbelievers, with the intent of making a crucial and very important point that we are to be on guard against false prophets and false teachers in the Church. If someone comes into the Church, for example, to preach "another jesus", or "another gospel", and ofcourse with the spirit of antichrist; we are to first rebuke them, then after the first or second admonishment, they are unrepentant, then we are to put them out of the Church. These are the very people that come in with damnable heresies, wresting the scriptures, even promoting the acceptance of other religions, or embracing open sin, and so forth, to cause cause division among the Brethren. AND they may even, and do call themselves "Baptists", such as the case with William Miller, who formed the "Millerites", as he was a false prophet wolf in sheep skins in the 1840's. There are many other examples, but we are to keep order in the Church, so that the Church is not led astray with false doctrine, as we see has happened today with so many, because of men that crept in unawares, to deceive and to mislead. They are identifyable, but for many years now, they have been allowed to flourish with their deceits. These men are Jezebel's servants / Satan's ministers, and it is time that we identify them for who they are. They are the Freemasons. In reality they are Satanists that practice divination / witchcraft and they have wrought a lot of confusion in all Denominations, not excluding the Southern Baptist Convention. They have long withstood genuine Believers while they, as workers of iniquity, have established strong holds in the Denominations. This is why we are seeing so much spiritual devastation with the statistics revealing that some 70% of professing Christians denying Jesus Christ as being the ONLY WAY. Have you examined the statistics? Are you aware of these enemies of Jesus Christ and His Church? They are the ones that have brought in the damnable heresies and have wrought the deception in the Churches. -
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Also, on TBN, the Seventh Day Adventists have two shows that run concurrently; one hosted by JohnBradshaw called "It Is Written"; the other is called Amazing Facts, hosted by Doug Batchelor.
Walter Martin, in his book, Kingdom of The Cults, had sadly embraced the Seventh Day Adventists as being "Christian".
Ravi Zacharias embraced Mormons. Below is the full video of Ravi Zacharias' visit to the House of the Dead
A great number of Baptists, along with a great number of other Demoninations had supported both Mormon, Mitt Romney, and Seventh Day Adventist, Ben Carson for President of The United States; both on "Christian Television" and "Christian Radio". Archived clips are availble on the Internet.
Headlines can be found via archived News video footage and News Paper print on the Internet about these and the other issues that I mentioned. And it is a matter of fact that Freemasons have saturated our Southern Baptist Churches, and I can provide names of those that have served as President of the Southern Baptist Convention, as well as the first Baptist Semenary, of which are the cause of the effect of the leaven that we are witnessing today. The fight against Christianity is very real, and they are working right now to usurp final authority away from all Christian Nations around the word for the reign of the Antichrist, of which they call the "New World Order". The moment that happens will be the start of the Great Tribulation.
Myself and others, including Jan Markell, are convinced that we are very close to that becoming reality soon.
I am including a link and description of Jan Markell's Broadcast with Gary Kah, from a couple of weeks ago.
This is some data to help you and other Brothers to be brought up to speed. I have personally seen many of the Illuminati's secret works behind the scenes, and I have also seen, and can provide upon request, the building of the Supreme Court, detailed with Occult symbolism, in Israel, that was funded by the Rothschilds and there is also a plaque that has their name. They are the Synagogue of Satan and have a vested interest in Israel for that agenda.
Also, on December 10, 2018 the altar for the 3rd Temple was dedicated. It is only a matter of time when they will announce the rebuilding of the 3rd Temple in Jerusalem, which will be the announcement of the restoration of Jerusalem per Daniel 9:25-27
En Route to Global Occupation
January 26, 2019
Jan Markell spends the hour with Gary Kah who has been monitoring the “New World Order” for 30 years. This will be Antichrist’s kingdom outlined in the Bible. Who are the major players and how soon might their agenda appear? If it is on the horizon, how late is the hour?
En Route to Global Occupation | Understanding the Times with Jan Markell
**WATCH WITH CAUTION wearing the Full Armour of God (Eph 6:10-18); Ravi Zacharias does wrest the Scriptures with his antichrist agenda to unequally yoke with the False Prophet and uses Satanic hand gestures to curse the viewers to deceive the masses into embracing them; the sign of the Antichrist/666 which many have been deceived to believe to be the O'Kay sign, and the hand sign of the Devil's horns, of which many have been deceived to believe as meaning "I love you".
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