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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Jan 12, 2021.

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    37818 Well-Known Member

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    Sanctification preceding salvation?
     
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    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

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    no, it is telling us how sinners are saved, no sinner can be sanctified (made holy) before they are saved, because they are still unholy and sinful!
     
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    Do you think the valley of dry bones (Ezekiel 37:1-14) is going to happen or do you think it's Ezekiel spiritualizing? Focus on the chronological order of things starting with Ezekiel 36:36 through Ezekiel 37:28. Yes, I'm going somewhere with this question.
     
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    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

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    Maybe you should start a new thread for this
     
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    Yeah, that's an option but it does address your OP question along with George's statement regarding trib believers. I just think the starting point is important first. Can I stay here for a while unless it goes full frontal rabbit trail? Your call.
     
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    I am persuaded God sanctifies with His truth. His truth is either believed ot rejected. Search for yourself.
     
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    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

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    I have no problem, was just thinking that it might get a lot of responses as they are very deep passages from Ezekiel
     
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    all depends on how to understand "sanctify"? Basic meaning is "set apart as or declare holy; consecrate"
     
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    I wasn't trying to.
    I take it that you believe in loss of salvation...

    Admittedly, I've had my own troubles with beliefs about that and the passages that seem to indicate it,
    but the Lord started to show me the truth about it in the 1980's, and even more within the past 17 years or so.

    To state it plainly,
    Believers
    ( God's elect ) cannot sin unto spiritual death ( 1 John 3:1-10 ), because they have been made alive in Christ and have been sealed unto the day of their redemption.
    No one can take Christ's sheep out of His hand, because no one is more powerful than God is.
    He saves and He keeps.

    See John 11:25-26 and many others.

    Therefore,
    If a person stops believing, then they are a "tare", they never really believed from the heart, and they were never truly born again to begin with.
    If a person continues on in belief, hope, growing in their understanding of His word and growing in both grace and knowledge, then that is the spiritual evidence that they are "wheat".

    In addition, they are the only ones who will produce true, lasting and spiritual fruit as found in Galatians 5:22-23.
     
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    ". . . Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. . . ."
     
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    I used to for about 20 years of my Christian life, but have had serious doubts about this for about 15 years.
     
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    I do not think you're looking for an answer
     
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    wow! you can read minds!!! :Wink
     
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    No, rather refers to those who were professing to be saved, but when tough times came, returned back to the temple and Judaism, revealing never were saved!
     
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    The sin unto spiritual death is the rejection of Christ the Son of God. True Christians have received Christ as there savior. This below describes a true Christian.
    1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
    1Jn 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
    1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
    MB
     
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    Believe John was describing a Christian whose sins will bring physical death to them, not spiritual one!
     
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    how many unsaved people do you know, who have been "sanctified" by the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, and remain unsaved? I mean, is this even possible?
     
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    you are again reading your "theology" into the passage, note what it says of these in verse 18, "We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself". This clearly shows that "spritiual rebirth" is what is meant, and not physical, as you suppose!
     
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    There is a sin that leads unto death must be physical death, as why would John say to not even pray for such a one?
     
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    Well, I guess Jesus really isn't able to save to the uttermost, and our hope isn't really in Him, but in the degree of our own faithfulness.

    I do that all the time. Put my faith in someone who will let me down.
     
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