What doctrines are essential to the new birth?

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  1. Van Well-Known Member
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    You are the one that made the claim. I guess you were for it before you were against it. Go figure.
    God's choice is on the basis of faith, 2 Thessalonians 2:13
     
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    Gad elects based upon solely His own good will and pleasure, regardless of us placing faith in Jesus as of yet!
     
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    Unbiblical fiction, God elects based on faith, 2 Thessalonians 2:13.

    Many verses say our election is through or on the basis of faith, and no verse says our individual election for salvation is not based on or through faith. Case closed!!!!
     
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    Reopened , as per John 1:13 and Ephesians 2:8-10
     
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    Both referenced scriptures support my view and preclude the Calvinist view.
     
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    So you would agree with god that any and all saved are due to just His will towards them, and that even so called saving faith is a free gift from God, so we would merit no credit?
     
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    Yet another deflection, another post of nonsense. Please quote my position, then actually address my biblical position. Romans 4:4-5, Romans 4:23=24
     
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    Where does that faith to believe in Jesus originate from?
     
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    Asked and answered dozens of times. Do you deny God credits our faith as righteousness? Do you deny Romans 4:4-5, Romans 4:23-24?
     
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    Do you deny that our faith is the gift of God towards us now in Christ?
     
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    Asked and answered dozens of times. Do you deny God credits our faith as righteousness? Do you deny Romans 4:4-5, Romans 4:23-24?
     
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    I deny that we have faith naturally within us, and also deny that faith is the basis of God either electing or saving us!
     
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    Notice the answer answers a question not asked. On and on, deflection and deception. Does Y1 deny Romans 4:4-5, Romans 4:23-24? Take a guess. Does Y1 deny God credits our faith as righteousness? Take a guess. Does Y1 ever answer the question asked? Take a guess.

    What is essential to being chosen, placed in Christ, and made alive together with Christ is God crediting our faith as righteousness. This is the truth the Calvinists try to bury in nonsense and deflection.
     
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    Do we ever do anything that God credits as being meritouous in salvation then?
     
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    Yet another dodge, another deflection. See the pattern folks.

    Does Y1 deny Romans 4:4-5, Romans 4:23-24? Take a guess. Does Y1 deny God credits our faith as righteousness? Take a guess. Does Y1 ever answer the question asked? Take a guess.

    What is essential to being chosen, placed in Christ, and made alive together with Christ is God crediting our faith as righteousness. This is the truth the Calvinists try to bury in nonsense and deflection.
     
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    When does God chose and elect us? After faith in Jesus, or before?
     
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    When are you going to stop dodging and actually answer the question. See the pattern folks.

    Does Y1 deny Romans 4:4-5, Romans 4:23-24? Take a guess. Does Y1 deny God credits our faith as righteousness? Take a guess. Does Y1 ever answer the question asked? Take a guess.

    What is essential to being chosen, placed in Christ, and made alive together with Christ is God crediting our faith as righteousness. This is the truth the Calvinists try to bury in nonsense and deflection.
     
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    You keep on doing the rope a dope here!
     
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    See the pattern folks.

    Does Y1 deny Romans 4:4-5, Romans 4:23-24? Take a guess. Does Y1 deny God credits our faith as righteousness? Take a guess. Does Y1 ever answer the question asked? Take a guess.

    What is essential to being chosen, placed in Christ, and made alive together with Christ is God crediting our faith as righteousness. This is the truth the Calvinists try to bury in nonsense and deflection.
     
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    Since god grants to us that saving faith even as a free gift, how can we get merited for something He provided to us? I am saying that those scriptures cannot mean what you make them out to be....