And he's correct. We have several apostate church's in this area, but from what I'm gathering it seems you'd support them. Others here have the same in their communities. The Episcopal church contains much apostasy. So do many Presbyterians. So do some Baptists. We see the ordination of h*m*s*xuals, marrying of them, and more, and the departing from the faith and from the Word of God. We have WoF movements, and other charismatic doctrines of demons. And you want evidence? From what I've learned of you, as long as these are preaching it is OK, as you've alluded to this in the past.
I disagree with what you contend. Since you make a dogmatic statement, can you give proof of yours being true, or is the burden of proof only for those who oppose your error?
Yours is wishful thinking about the church padre. But you're not mainstream, correct, you're not actually a Baptist church, isn't that right? I recall looking at your website and it stated about your church not being in the mainstream (or something similar).
Jesus called out hypocrites as well. Paul called out false teachers. Peter did. James did. Jude did. ev6589 is in good company and not amongst the bleeding heart pacifists.
So you're placing evangelist6589 under church discipline???? :confused:
Can we do the same for you in that you stalk him and denigrate him and use ad hominem on him? Or are you above that?
No, yours is actually discord. Name calling, denigrating his character, calling him haughty. He's not in your church and the thing in Matthew is for he and his church, not for BB. This is a debate forum, not a congregation.
I stand with John on his assessment of the problem in 'churchs'. It's that bad.
What does Christmas mean to you?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by evangelist6589, Dec 24, 2013.
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padredurand Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
God will redeem each and every one of His elect regardless of where He finds them whether it be an apostate church, a street corner or that elusive perfect church he cannot find. I can see four steeples from my living room window and have no confidence that the Gospel is being preached in any of them. I pray for them to come under the convicting power of the Holy Spirit. If you wanted to go for a ride I could take you to meet pastors who seek neither the applause or approval of men and preached nothing but Jesus Christ and Him crucified. They have spent themselves for the Gospel of Jesus Christ and depend wholly on Him for strength to go on another day. They are in the city meeting in massive buildings or rented space in a warehouse. They are in the countryside and everywhere between.
They trust "the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do." (Hebrews 4:12-13 NAS77)
My evidence is anecdotal. I know that. We live in a time when we should seek out those faithful ones and lift them up in prayer. -
evangelist6589 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
If Padre, Mitchell, Quantum, or that grammar poster where there I bet they would have been on her side!!!! -
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I have mentioned this but Padre does not listen. I like the character of my present pastor, but he so often fails to preach on SIN, REPENTANCE, JUDGMENT, JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH, THE LORDSHIP OF CHRIST, REGENERATION, THE HOLINESS OF GOD and so forth. The pastor is a good man, treats people with kindness, but he misses the entire point!!!
My parents church is Reformed and the pastor preaches EXCELLENT. However my parents and others have testified that he and his family love to gossip about others in the church, backbite, elevate themselves over others, and dog people they do not agree with, which sadly is also like minded Reformed. I won't tell you what he did to a fellow Reformed Bible church. Many have left the church and it has shrunk allot over the years.
It would be great to get a pastor with character that also can preach. In the past I have had such pastors in like minded Reformed churches. However they were in other states. -
evangelist6589 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Yes, you are correct, there are pastors who practice what you've stated. They have success and numbers to maintain and this is at least one reason why some won't preach against the apostasy we see today. In their hearts perhaps they are aware of other subjective reasons as only the Holy Spirit can show.
I will add this as well, we see these types of errors among those who believe 'Bible only' theology, who adopt some supra spiritual attitude and loathe other works and/or repudiate and minimalize these things. These typically mock those who employ the works of other brethren (pastors, evangelists, teachers Eph. 4:11-12) yet they themselves offer support for apostate preachers at the same time. These facts are obvious in this thread.
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evangelist6589 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Bible Only theology types are all over this board. If I understand you correctly they are people like Padre whom would denounce people that read the books of Comfort, Washer, and Mac and say that I am elevating them over the Bible or something of the sort, when all these men are doing is teaching me the Bible and helping me understand things! And you know what??? It sure works as I look up verses they mention with my table ESV/NIV at my side. I have been accused of idolizing Mac by some on other websites only because I confronted their false WOF theology. Yet they themselves idolize various false WOF teachers, they always will point the finger at me with Mac because I have mentioned a book Mac wrote.
Well I am gonna take a rest and gonna get back to reading the Gospel According to Jesus. Its a great book that I wish Quantum and Padre would read. mac is all about creating churches where the Bible is taught and not churches where sinners feel comfortable. People living in sin cannot be comfortable in a place that confronts their paths and hell bound eternal destiny. The loving thing would be to TELL THEM the truth. I am sad about Andy Stanley and his ministry. His father Charles is not Reformed but at least he preaches on sin, hell, and judgment. I have podcasts where Charles hits the nail right on the head. Perhaps I could give those messages to Andy Stanley. -
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I was gonna say something, but have decided to get back to reading the Gospel According to Jesus. -
Great idea. Pay attention to your Christ, your Scriptures, your prayers, your brothers, your wife, those who sharpen your iron, your books, not those who sow discord and attempt to get you off track. God bless. -
evangelist6589 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Mac has been explaining the conversion Jesus had with Nicodemus in John 3 and explaining redemption. Again I am sad at the multitude of pastors that do not understand. But God has his grace as he did on me.
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If I were walking down the street and you were street-preaching, I'd stop and listen to you, too.
I would give any man who is a preacher on this board at least one chance before I blatantly dismissed him. -
Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Revmitchell
Paul David Washer (born 1961) is the Founder/Director & Missions Coordinator of HeartCry Missionary Society[1] which supports indigenous missionary work.
Washer says he had a born again experience while studying to become an oil and gas lawyer at the University of Texas. Upon graduation, he attended Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary and achieved a Master of Divinity degree
He moved to Peru where he became a missionary proclaiming the gospel for 10 years, after which time he returned to the United States
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padredurand Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
London Confession:
3. The purest churches under Heaven are subject to mixture and error, and some have degenerated so much that they have ceased to be churches of Christ and have become synagogues of Satan. Nevertheless Christ always has had, and always will (to the end of time) have a kingdom in this world, made up of those who believe in Him, and make profession of His name.
Even if the total number was down to one your energies are better spent in prayerful support of the one than disdain for the rest. -
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Disdain is not necessary and it just shows the hearts of some Calvinists on this board.
You guys should study ann's posts. She could be a good mentor for you guys. She is a prime example of a cal who does not feel the need to be an attack dog instead of these Westboro Baptist type post we are seeing from some cals. -
Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
As far as studying Ann.......why? It isnt Ann's place, she isnt a preacher or a pastor. With no malaise towards Ann or any other women ---cause women are often my heroes, one would expect that of a women, not a man. Real men dont pussy foot around with apostasy & easy believe-ism. They stand their ground & fight the good fight. Maybe you need to reevaluate your own self .......maybe take another look at Chesty Puller & Al Gray. These men were no shrinking violets.....they were intense & motivated. -
By the way, you should study your posts and repent. :thumbs:
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