I am doing some writing and the editors wish to keep everything uniform. For whatever reason, they prefer to use the Scofield 1917. I do not know what edition of the KJV/AV that is used in the 1917 Scofield.
Does anyone have an answer?
Thanks,
Jason
What edition of the KJV/AV...?
Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by PastoralMusings, Feb 26, 2019.
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I was wondering if it was 1769, but couldn't find it in Logos or OnlineBible to compare. -
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Yes. I typically use Cambridge Paragraph Bible/1873. I can set my copy tool to use 1900. Thanks.
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It appears I was wrong. Looks like Scofield used the 1769 Oxford
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So far, I have not found another KJV edition that is 100% identical to the KJV text in the 1917 Scofield Reference Bible. It uses some hyphens like pre-1769 Oxford editions, but overall it is a post-1769 Oxford KJV edition. It has a few unique renderings that are not found in most KJV editions. -
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Ok. Thanks, y'all.
I'll just use the 1769 and let the editors deal with anything that they feel the need to standardize.
It is interesting, in reading about the editions of the KJV, to see that there has never actually been a standard, even though I suppose 1769 and 1873 both came close to being such. -
Faithlife/Logos Bible Software had an interesting blog post years ago discussing their choice for regarding what the definitive “KJV” would be for their product.
In search of the King James Version - LogosTalk
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The edition of the KJV in the old 1917 Scofield Reference Bible had some unique or different renderings that could be said to characterize it [“and all that” (Lev. 14:36), “unto the coast“ (Deut. 3:14), “And when thou dost” (Deut. 24:10), “hastened” (1 Sam. 17:48), “people of the men” (2 Sam. 16:15), “the Lord“ (1 Kings 8:56, Jer. 32:26), “anything” (Rom. 8:33), “lusteth” (Rev. 18:14), “burnt-offerings” (Gen. 8:20)].
The last example is to point out that the KJV edition in the Scofield Reference Bible had a number of hyphens to combine some words that are not found in most present KJV editions. Some KJV editions in the 1700's or 1800's did have many more hyphens than present KJV editions have.
In my partial examination of over 500 editions of the KJV, I have not found any earlier KJV editions that had all of the renderings that characterize the edition in the 1917 Scofield. -
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FYI, There’s a small 1769 Cambridge edition of the KJV offered on EBay currently for a somewhat reasonable cost
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The one that I have has a unique KJV text. It has some of the new renderings introduced in the 1769 Oxford edition, suggesting that someone at Cambridge may have learned of some of the changes that would be introduced in the 1769 Oxford. It also has several of the renderings that characterize the 1743/1762 Cambridge KJV editions. It has a few unique renderings of its own, perhaps unintentionally introduced by the printer. -
That little Bible sold for ~$114 (if you include shipping to the US) - no bargain for the winner.
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It wasn’t this feller. It was out of my reach.
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An actual 1769 Oxford can cost thousands if one can be even found that is available. I once examined a 1762 Cambridge KJV edition for which the seller wanted over $1000. The 1762 Cambridge was considered a new standard KJV edition, but it was later discovered that many of the new renderings that characterize the 1762 were actually introduced in the 1743 Cambridge. The 1769 Cambridge also has the new renderings that characterize the 1743/1762 Cambridge.
Typically in the 1700's and 1800's many more copies of Oxford editions of the KJV were printed, making them less rare than copies of Cambridge editions of which fewer copies were printed. In the case of the 1769 Oxford, a warehouse fire is said to have destroyed a lot of the printed copies, making it rarer than most Oxford editions. The 1769 Oxford is also considered a standard KJV edition, making it an edition wanted by Bible collectors. -
The 1743 Cambridge edition already has a majority of the renderings and spellings that could be or are considered to be characteristic of the later 1762 Cambridge edition [“men” (Gen. 47:6), “consecration” (Exod. 29:16), “hath sinned” (Lev. 5:10), “shall they be” (Num. 3:13), “one silver bowl” (Num. 7:61), “and ye shall have” (Deut. 4:25), “all lost things“ (Deut. 22:3), “and the Gadites” (Josh. 12:6), “nor of Halbah” (Jud. 1:31), “that” before “after the year” omitted (2 Sam. 11:1), “eightieth” (1 Kings 6:1), “Asa‘s heart” (1 Kings 15:14), “thou thyself hast” (1 Kings 20:40), “until now” (2 Kings 8:6), “all the business” (1 Chron. 26:30), “whom God alone” (1 Chron. 29:1), “rulers of“ (1 Chron. 29:6), “Charchemish“ (2 Chron. 35:20), “and the gold” (Ezra 7:18), “Mordecai‘s matters” (Esther 3:4), “and he seeth“ (Job 8:17), “and he saveth” (Ps. 107:19), “these things” (Ps. 107:43) “children shall also sit” (Ps. 132:12), “merchant ships” (Prov. 30:31), “farther” (Eccl. 8:17), “gone to” (Isa. 15:2), “feedeth on ashes” (Isa. 44:20), “is” (Jer. 1:13), “The word that” (Jer. 40:1), “the whirlwind” (Hos. 13:3), “and he kept” (Amos 1:11), “Hamath“ (Amos 6:14), “hidden things“ (Obadiah 1:6), “fleeth away“ (Nahum 3:16), “casteth out devils” (Matt. 9:34), “in the judgement” (Matt. 12:41), “had no root“ (Matt. 13:6), “the Christ” (Matt. 16:16), “eternal life“ (Matt. 19:29), “farther“ (Matt. 26:39), “word” (Matt. 26:75), “bodies of the saints“ (Matt. 27:52), “farther“ (Mark 1:19), “afterwards“ (Luke 4:2), “and he cried out” (Luke 4:33), “lifted” (Luke 16:23), “a third” (Luke 20:12), “his lord” (John 15:20), “but the time” (John 16:25), “doctor of the law” (Acts 5:34), “killedst” (Acts 7:28), “And they wrote” (Acts 15:23), “from things strangled” (Acts 21:25), “and in the prophets” (Acts 24:14), “sitting on” (Acts 25:6), “and have gained” (Acts 27:21), “have not charity” (1 Cor. 13:2), “in utterance” (2 Cor. 8:7), “in knowledge” (2 Cor. 8:7), “those who” (Gal. 2:6), “access“ (Eph. 2:18), “and I beseech” (Phil. 4:2), “our‘s“ (Titus 3:14), “be ye warmed and be ye filled” (James 2:16), “labourers who“ (James 5:4), “inhabitants“ (Rev. 17:2), “on either side” (Rev. 22:2)]. Some of the new changes in 1743 became standard in later KJV editions while others did not.
There are some variations or changes found in the 1743 Cambridge edition that are not in the 1762 Cambridge [“unleavened bread” (Lev. 7:13), “among the people” (Num. 5:21), “their tents” (Num. 9:18), “or of vines” (Num. 20:5), “did sacrifice and burn” (2 Kings 14:4), “mercy’s sake” (Ps. 6:4), “Canaan” (Acts 13:19)].
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