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What Happened To mankind in the fall of Adam ?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Yeshua1, Apr 25, 2018.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    Did we now gain the sin nature, as all now found in Adam, and if Jesus was born in same exact flesh as us, would He not have the sin nature, and be found in Adam then?
     
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    NO!... Brother Glen:)

    Luke 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

    1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.


    And then there is this

    1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

    15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

    15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.


    Consider what I say and the Lord giveth thee understanding in all things!
     
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    What you are asserting (if i'm not mistaken) was considered heresy 1500 years ago. His flesh is just like our flesh, Yet He was without sin, because He is GOD!
     
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    What I'm asserting if you are referring to me is that he was born without sin... Scripture says the likeness of sinful flesh...

    Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

    Our sin was put on Jesus, their was no sin in him... If that is not so, than I'm a heretic!... Brother Glen:)
     
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    Right. I said Christ was born in the same flesh as you and me, yet without sin. You said He was born in some other type of flesh.
     
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    I agree with you that Jesus was born as a Human, but a man without a sin nature, as he was and is sinless perfection as to His own humanity!
    He HAD to be Virgin Born in order to avoid the effcts of the fall of Adam!
     
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    he had no sin nature when born, while all of us did!
     
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    He is also second Adam, as he had no sin nature , as we all now have due to the fall!
     
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    Christ's Father is God--Which makes Him the Heir of All things.
     
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    He was born in the same flesh as you and me. I'm not sure what that has to do with "sin nature".
     
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    Do you have a sin nature?
     
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    His was a human, who had no sin nature,,,,
     
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    I wish you would quote scripture so i can at least identify with what you are talking about.
     
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    Jesus is the Eternal Word of God--who was born fully God and Fully man. How does your statement relate to scripture?
     
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    Sin nature, the part of us that wants to disobey God, and is at war with Him....
     
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    he was Virgin born, in order to avoid the effects of the fall of Adam unto all of us...
     
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    My preunderstandings have led me to believe certain things about this "Sin nature", but quote me Scripture that talks about this nature that wants to disobey God and is at War with Him.
     
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    No, He was born of a virgin to Claim God as His Father and thus being able to Distribute His Inheritance to all His Brethren. He is the "First Born"--not Chronologically, Nor Spiritually--It means He has the Birth Right that Only the First Born possesses.
     
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    He was always God, always Had the father, so he had to be Virgin Born to avoid being tagged as being in Adam, and a sinner!
     
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    Brother, Yes He was always God...but to fulfill the Plan of Redemption and to distribute all of the Blessings of God, He had to be Born with God as His Father, not Adam. Adam has no right to the Inheritance of God. His Son Does though. If you cannot understand this then i would stop arguing over theology and Learn about God's Redemptive Plan through His Son and what all that entails.
     
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