What Happened To The Constitution

[poncho]

Well, Bush passed the Patriot Act, but Clinton led the way with the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. This is when our rights really began to erode.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiterrorism_and_Effective_Death_Penalty_Act_of_1996

U.S. Commission on National Security/21st Century
Hart-Rudman Commission

To answer the question "what happened to the constitution?"

In large part it went out the window when the "national security state" was born.

 

[alatide]

What happened to the Constitution ? I wish someone was asking this the last 2 years of Bush's presidency.

And Alatide, you ignore over & over the Clinton administration gave us the patriot act.

The USA PATRIOT Act, commonly known as the "Patriot Act", is a statute enacted by the United States Government that President George W. Bush signed into law on October 26, 2001, about 6 weeks after 9/11. I would agree that it was written BEFORE 9/11 but it was written by the Bush administration.

I have no idea why you're pointing to Clinton as the initiator. This was a Neo-Con document through and through and represented their attempt to take advantage of 9/11 to seize more power. Ultimately, they failed, thank God. I say that because I love my country.

 

[poncho]

The USA PATRIOT Act, commonly known as the "Patriot Act", is a statute enacted by the United States Government that President George W. Bush signed into law on October 26, 2001, about 6 weeks after 9/11. I would agree that it was written BEFORE 9/11 but it was written by the Bush administration.

I have no idea why you're pointing to Clinton as the initiator. This was a Neo-Con document through and through and represented their attempt to take advantage of 9/11 to seize more power. Ultimately, they failed, thank God. I say that because I love my country.

Read Hart-Rudman.

The neocons seized more power for the executive all right and Obama is holding onto it for dear life. That's why you can't directly answer targus' question without incriminating Obama. :smilewinkgrin:

From Carter through Obama we've had a globalist regime in power each taking turns to destroy our republic. They've all been on the same team. They only wear different "uniforms" to fool the gullible and unstudied or, shall I say disinterested public?

 

[saturneptune]

After a disaster like Bush we can only hope and pray for better leadership.

You just don't get it. Your enemy is not the Republicans. They are just like you and your philosophy. Your enemy is the Constitution, which is exactly the opposite the substance of the two major parties.

 

[alatide]

I get it probably more than you know. The first thing that must be done is to do a thorough investigation of 9/11. The government's theory just doesn't hold water. I believe in the constitution. I don't know what I've ever said that would cause you to think otherwise.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

The USA PATRIOT Act, commonly known as the "Patriot Act", is a statute enacted by the United States Government that President George W. Bush signed into law on October 26, 2001, about 6 weeks after 9/11. I would agree that it was written BEFORE 9/11 but it was written by the Bush administration.

And just why would this bill be waiting for Bush ?

I have no idea why you're pointing to Clinton as the initiator. This was a Neo-Con document through and through and represented their attempt to take advantage of 9/11 to seize more power. Ultimately, they failed, thank God. I say that because I love my country.

Because Clinton did initiate it. Just like he initiated the Iraq war, along with a willing administration. You have been showed several times the 500,000 dead Iraqis due to Clinton & Gore's illegal sanctions. Don't tell me how much you love this country. You are part of the problem. A partisan hack.

 

[alatide]

And just why would this bill be waiting for Bush ?



Because Clinton did initiate it. Just like he initiated the Iraq war, along with a willing administration. You have been showed several times the 500,000 dead Iraqis due to Clinton & Gore's illegal sanctions. Don't tell me how much you love this country. You are part of the problem. A partisan hack.

People like you are the reason why America is going the way of the Roman Empire, soon. Oh, the bill was waiting for Bush because he knew he could use it after the planned attack on 9/11.

 

[poncho]

People like you are the reason why America is going the way of the Roman Empire, soon. Oh, the bill was waiting for Bush because he knew he could use it after the planned attack on 9/11.

Read the quote in my signature line. Then click on the link below.

http://www.nysun.com/foreign/obama-adviser-leads-delegation-to-damascus/71123/

 

[alatide]

Read the quote in my signature line. Then click on the link below.

http://www.nysun.com/foreign/obama-adviser-leads-delegation-to-damascus/71123/

At this point I don't believe that the Bush administration was responsible for this formally. I do believe that individuals strategically placed within the government and the military were responsible. By the way, have you ever heard of the organization Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth? There are 832 professionals in that organization and I'm one of them. Watch this video:

http://www.ae911truth.org/omnitv_interview.htm

 

[poncho]

At this point I don't believe that the Bush administration was responsible for this formally. I do believe that individuals strategically placed within the government and the military were responsible. By the way, have you ever heard of the organization Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth? There are 832 professionals in that organization and I'm one of them. Watch this video:

http://www.ae911truth.org/omnitv_interview.htm

I don't think the attacks on 9/11 was planned by anyone in our government. Fact is I don't think any of them would be smart enough to pull off such a thing. Letting it happen and even helping it along? Yeah, that I do think is possible. But we'll likely never know will we because Obama has no plans to look into it. He doesn't like to look back remember?

He only wants to look forward. I wonder what he see's when he looks forward. The collapse of the republic and the rise of the glorious new world order?

You blame Bush and Cheney for alot of things as do I but consider this, The Real Grand Chessboard: Those Profiting from Enduring Violence Who had the most to gain from 9/11 and the resulting "global war on terror"?

I think 9/11 ties in with the topic of this thread because of the transformation that took place in government power and our own minds because of it. Things (like unconstitutional activities) we never would have accepted before it are easily even willingly accepted now. In a way the constitution was attacked on and after 9/11 as never before in our history.

 

[alatide]

I don't think the attacks on 9/11 was planned by anyone in our government. Fact is I don't think any of them would be smart enough to pull off such a thing. Letting it happen and even helping it along? Yeah, that I do think is possible. But we'll likely never know will we because Obama has no plans to look into it. He doesn't like to look back remember?

He only wants to look forward. I wonder what he see's when he looks forward. The collapse of the republic and the rise of the glorious new world order?

But you believe a group of radical Muslims could plan and execute the 9'11 attacks headed up by a guy in a cave in Afghanistan could pull it off? That makes absolutely be sense. Bin Laden certainly didn't have the ability to pull this attack off. In fact, the FBI doesn't think he did either. Have you ever seen his FBI Rap sheet? He's never been charged with anything related to 9/11 because there's no evidence. An FBI spokesman admitted that at one poine. Look at why he's the number one terrorist on the FBI Most Wanted list:

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

This is the official FBI web site and the only things he's wanted for are:

Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.

 

[OldRegular]

But you believe a group of radical Muslims could plan and execute the 9'11 attacks headed up by a guy in a cave in Afghanistan could pull it off? That makes absolutely be sense. Bin Laden certainly didn't have the ability to pull this attack off. In fact, the FBI doesn't think he did either. Have you ever seen his FBI Rap sheet? He's never been charged with anything related to 9/11 because there's no evidence. An FBI spokesman admitted that at one poine. Look at why he's the number one terrorist on the FBI Most Wanted list:

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

This is the official FBI web site and the only things he's wanted for are:

Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.

The next time you get banned "whoever" perhaps you can come back as "A Truther" like Van Jones!:smilewinkgrin:

 

[OldRegular]

People like you are the reason why America is going the way of the Roman Empire, soon. Oh, the bill was waiting for Bush because he knew he could use it after the planned attack on 9/11.

You are one sick individual "whoever"!:tear:

 

[Revmitchell]

The next time you get banned "whoever" perhaps you can come back as "A Truther" like Van Jones!:smilewinkgrin:

Busted Again. BaptistBeliever aka Just Christian aka alatide has always spouted the truther junk.

 

[poncho]

But you believe a group of radical Muslims could plan and execute the 9'11 attacks headed up by a guy in a cave in Afghanistan could pull it off? That makes absolutely be sense. Bin Laden certainly didn't have the ability to pull this attack off. In fact, the FBI doesn't think he did either. Have you ever seen his FBI Rap sheet? He's never been charged with anything related to 9/11 because there's no evidence. An FBI spokesman admitted that at one poine. Look at why he's the number one terrorist on the FBI Most Wanted list:

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

This is the official FBI web site and the only things he's wanted for are:

Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.

I've seen it all. I never said they didn't have inside help I just said I doubt our government planned it all out. I think some in government and business (SAIC) knew it was coming and helped it along.

Read the article I linked too in my last post. Here's a snipit . . .

9/11 was a personal tragedy for thousands of families and a national tragedy for all of America, but it served the interests of private intellience and military contractors including SAIC. In the aftermath of the attacks, the Bush administration launched its "Global War on Terror" (GWOT), whose chief consequence has been to channel money by the tens of billions into companies promising they could do something—anything—to help. SAIC was ready. Four years earlier, anticipating the next big source of government revenue, SAIC had established the Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis. According to SAIC, the purpose of the new unit was to take "a comprehensive view of terrorist threats, including the full range of weapons of mass destruction, more traditional high explosives, and cyber-threats to the national infrastructure." In October of 2006 the company told would-be investors flatly that the war on terror would continue to be a lucrative growth industry.[39]

Barlett and Steele could have mentioned that SAIC senior analyst Fritz Ermarth, a long-time associate of Gates from his years in the CIA, is now an official of the Nixon Center. Commenting in 2003 on State Secretary Colin Powell’s briefing to the UN Security Council, Ermarth praised Powell for his charges (repeating one of Judith Miller’s false stories) about Saddam’s acquisition of aluminum tubing "for centrifuges and not rocketry." Ermarth faulted Powell however for not mentioning two matters: Iraqi involvement in the World Trade Center bombing of 1993 (a charge by Laurie Mylroie now generally discredited), and that "During the 1970s and 1980s…the USSR and its allies supported terrorists in Western Europe and in Turkey," (alluding to the false charges, promoted at the time by Robert Gates and Claire Sterling, about Mehmet Ali Agça’s attempted assassination of Pope Paul II).[40]

I certainly do not wish to suggest that SAIC single-handedly created the will to fight in Iraq. The combined efforts of defense contractors, oil companies, PMCs and PICs created a mindset in which all those eager for power were caught up, including, I have to say, career-minded academics. In Iraq as in Afghanistan and Vietnam a generation earlier, a sure ticket to consultations in Washington was support for interventions that ordinary people could see would be disastrous.

Who benefits?

And God forbid we ever seek the truth among all the lies. After all our founders always stressed the point that we could trust government.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

People like you are the reason why America is going the way of the Roman Empire, soon. Oh, the bill was waiting for Bush because he knew he could use it after the planned attack on 9/11.

Really ? Me ? What did I do ? Sounds like a Clinton/Bush tag team event, to me.

But I know already that you won't explain yourself. I guess your prestigious education didn't cover debate tactics.

 

[OldRegular]

I believe in the constitution. I don't know what I've ever said that would cause you to think otherwise.

Everything a socialist like you advocates is a denial of the Constitution.

 

[OldRegular]

People like you are the reason why America is going the way of the Roman Empire, soon.

It is people like you who are causing this country to go the way of the Roman Empire.

There are many reasons for the fall of Rome, one being the destruction of the Republic, the increased use of slave labor, the pacification of the populace through gifts and games, and the deification of the emperor. However, the ultimate reason was the deification of the emperor, much like you and your ilk deify Obama!

 

[poncho]

In 1958, Cleon Skousen, a former FBI agent (a man I was fortunate enough to get to know before his death), wrote a book entitled "The Naked Communist." In it, he outlined the long-term communist agenda. Since then, the movers and shakers of the New World Order have successfully achieved many of these goals within the U.S. Here are some samples of those goals:

*Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

*Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

*Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind.

*Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

*Get control of the schools.

*Infiltrate the press.

*Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

*Break down cultural standards of morality.

*Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with social religion.

*Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

<snip>

Here is a sample list of the notable dignitaries in and out of government who hold (or held) membership in the CFR or TC (and sometimes both):

George Herbert Walker Bush. Bill Clinton. Sandra Day O'Connor. Dick Cheney. Les Aspin. Colin Powell. Robert Gates. Brent Scowcroft. Jesse Jackson, Sr. Mario Cuomo. Dan Rather. Tom Brokaw. David Brinkley. John Chancellor. Marvin Kalb. Diane Sawyer. Barbara Walters. Cyrus Vance. Paul Volcker. Henry Kissinger. George Schultz. Alan Greenspan. Madeleine Albright. Roger Altman. Bruce Babbitt. Howard Baker. Samuel Berger. Elaine Chao. Dianne Feinstein. Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Chuck Hagel. Gary Hart. John McCain. George Mitchell. Bill Moyers. Jay Rockefeller. Donna Shalala. Strobe Talbott. Fred Thompson. Robert Zoellick. Richard Nixon. Hubert H. Humphrey. George McGovern. Gerald Ford. Jimmy Carter. John Anderson. Walter Mondale. Michael Dukakis. Al Gore. John Kerry.

It is absolutely essential that we stop looking at potential leaders as either Democrats or Republicans, or as conservatives or liberals. Those monikers mean very little today. We must start identifying people as either Americans or globalists. Either they believe in an independent, sovereign, self-governing United States of America, or they believe in supranational government and internationalism. Either they believe in devotion to the U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence, or they believe in the goals and objectives of the United Nations. We must rid ourselves of the propensity to support those who classify themselves as "conservatives," and we must stop blindly supporting the GOP "because it is a 'conservative' party." If they do not understand AND OPPOSE the New World Order, they do not deserve our support or our vote!

George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and George H.W. Bush laid the foundation for everything that Barack Obama is doing to facilite the New World Order. That two of these Presidents are Democrats and two are Republicans only proves my point: both the Democratic and Republican parties have succumbed to New World Order ideology.

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What happened to the constitution? We willingly support the people who seek to destroy it. That's what happened to it.

 

[donnA]

what constution, americans voted to do away with it.