Let me make this clear to our readers becuase you are intentionally trying to misrepresent our conversation by the cherry selection of posts you have picked which really do not have anything to do with our disagreement.
You should have listed the posts in the following order if you want to rightly represent the true order of our conversation without skewing it:
1. Post #85
So, do you believe that our broken humiliation, by which we cry out to God to rescue us, trusting only in Him because we have no other hope, is a 'meritorious work of righteousness?' - Skandelon
2. Post #89
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skandelon
So, do you believe that our broken humiliation, by which we cry out to God to rescue us, trusting only in Him because we have no other hope, is a 'meritorious work of righteousness?'
You can't be serious??? Do you understand that little of the Calvinistic position to ask such a question??? We believe that "repentance" is inseparable from "faith" and both are fruits of regeneration and you know that. So obviously, we do not believe that repentance is a "meritorious work of righteousness." - The Biblicist
3. Post#91
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Biblicist
You can't be serious??? Do you understand that little of the Calvinistic position to ask such a question??? We believe that "repentance" is inseparable from "faith" and both are fruits of regeneration and you know that. So obviously, we do not believe that repentance is a "meritorious work of righteousness."
Ok, allow me to reword that...are you under the impression that repentance done as a free responsible act (as in our system) somehow merits or earns forgiveness and eternal life? If so, why? On what basis do you draw that conclusion? - Skandelon
NOTE: Note that Skandelon's requrest to "allow me to reword that" has nothing to do with our argument over "supposition" versus what I "believe" but over an entirely different subject. We had not even entered into any disagreement over whether he asked for me to respond according to his "supposition" or according to what I "believe" yet. However, in Skandelon's order of posts he makes it look like he is asking "allow me to reword" in regard to our disagreement about "supposition" verus "belief" WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE THAT DISGREEMENT OCCURRED LATER AFTER THIS POST. However, he is taking this earlier post and attempting to make it look that this was his request DURING our argument whether he had asked me to respond according to what I "believe" or according to the "supposition" that his view was correct. Pure dishonesty in the arrangement of this post to infer that idea!
If you can't understand what I am saying, then let me put it this way. He is taking a post PREVIOUS to our argument and making it look like it was his request DURING our argument over "supposition" versus "belief" thus making it appear that I was not even charitable enough to allow him to correct his wording but intentionally attempt to misrepresent and mischarge him. He is intentionally doing this and thus again being openly dishonest.
What is "good" in God's sight?
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by The Biblicist, Feb 5, 2014.
Page 9 of 9
-
The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
-
The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
-
There are numerous discussions going at once and maybe you felt that you were responding to one line of arguments while I felt I was responding to another, who knows? But a simple re-read reveals very clearly that all the discussions up to that point in the thread melded into one key point (at least that is the way I was reading it)...below are the posts where the real contention started:
You had said, "Since your system is not Biblical but antibiblical in regard to salvation, then that kind of repentance would be Biblically termed "worldly sorrow" and is of the flesh - 2 Cor. 7:10"
See, you are talking about OUR SYSTEM. You are addressing what you believe are OUR PRESUMPTIONS about repentance. But you really straw-manning us because you were NOT accepting our actual suppositions....which is why I said...
So, it was clearly a misunderstanding as I was following one line of discussion and you another...both of which were about humility and repentance. So for you to accuse me of intentional dishonesty is absurd. That is what is making me leave. I was just as frustrated with you and your unwillingness to stay on my line of discussion as you were with me, but did I infer you were a liar and start saying things like...
-
Ok, let's start over... Try this...
Suppose, just for sake of argument that the non-Calvinistic perspective is accurate and men are responsible (response-abled) and free to respond to God's gracious appeal to be reconciled. Here is a question for consideration:
Do you believe that a man who 'freely' (of his own RESPONSE to God's gracious revelation) humbles himself and asks for forgiveness deserves to be forgiven and to spend eternity with God in heaven? In other words, do you think the free agent earns or deserves or merits his forgiveness and salvation simply on the basis of his freely requesting it?
If someone killed your entire family and then felt remorse and humbly approached you to ask for forgiveness of his own accord, and you decided not only to forgive him but you gave him everything you owned too, would you believe that he deserved or earned that from you simply because of his remorse and request? I ask because some Calvinists seem to think that man's humiliation in asking of forgiveness somehow merits or earns what God does for us simply because we are free to ask or refrain from asking. -
The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
It is true that we were on the way to entering into that debate but had not yet reached it. -
The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
-
How can those spiritually dead bring themselves back to spiritual life? -
Squire Robertsson AdministratorAdministrator
This thread is closed.
Page 9 of 9