Oh this is good :D!
DHK and Brother Bob, head to head.
Both doing an excellent job of providing scripture and making their case.
Who will it be?
what is repentance?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Chessic, Oct 14, 2007.
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Webster's 1828 Dictionary [A-J]
compunction
COMPUNCTION, n. L. To prick or sting.
1. A pricking; stimulation; irritation; seldom used in a literal sense.
2. A pricking of heart; poignant grief or remorse proceeding from a consciousness of guilt; the pain of sorrow or regret for having offended God, and incurred his wrath; the sting of conscience proceeding from a conviction of having violated a moral duty.
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Thanks Linda;
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From Harry A. Ironside: Except Ye Repent, Chapter 1: Repentance: It's Nature and Importance
God desires truth in the inward parts. The blessed man is still the one "in whose spirit there is no guile." It is forever true that "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy." It can never be out of place to proclaim salvation by free, unmerited favor to all who put their trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. But it needs ever to be insisted on that the faith that justifies is not a mere intellectual process -- not simply crediting certain historical facts or doctrinal statements; but it is a faith that springs from a divinely wrought conviction of sin which produces a repentance that is sincere and genuine.
The entire booklet can be found here -
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Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
com·punc·tion Pronunciation [kuhm-puhngk-shuhn]
–noun
1. a feeling of uneasiness or anxiety of the conscience caused by regret for doing wrong or causing pain; contrition; remorse.
2. any uneasiness or hesitation about the rightness of an action.
[Origin: 1350–1400; ME compunccion (< AF) < LL compūnctiōn- (s. of compūnctiō), equiv. to L compūnct(us), ptp. of compungere to prick severely (com- com- + pungere to prick; cf. point) + -iōn- -ion]
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con·tri·tion Pronunciation [kuhn-trish-uhn]
–noun
1. sincere penitence or remorse.
2. Theology. sorrow for and detestation of sin with a true purpose of amendment, arising from a love of God for His own perfections (perfect contrition), or from some inferior motive, as fear of divine punishment (imperfect contrition).
[Origin: 1250–1300; ME contricio(u)n (< AF) < LL contrītiōn- (s. of contrītiō). See contrite, -ion]
—Synonyms 1. compunction, regret.
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Psalms 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. -
It's not exactly the same, but I'm not going to argue about this particular definition. The point is, if you want to get a reliable definition of a word AS IT IS USED TODAY, use a CURRENT dictionary, not the 1828.
You KJV people seem to think the world revolves around KJV/1828 Webster's English. IT DOES NOT. Even at Pentecost the Holy Spirit got the apostles to speak in languages people could understand NATIVELY. The Spirit didn't get all the apostles to suddenly start speaking in Webster's 1828 English, as if there's something HOLY about it.
Don't get me wrong. I love the KJV. But I speak contemporary English, like just about everyone else. -
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Heb. 12:17 seems to suggest that Repentance can be accompanied by tears, but does not necessarily must involve tears:
"He could bring about no change of mind, though he sought the blessing with tears." NIV -
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The real problem comes when this blessing and the surrounding events, is read to mean eternal salvation. This blessing had nothing to do with that. Was Esau a saved man? I do not know. He was mad enough to kill Jacob, just as Cain killed righteous Abel. (Gen. 4:8) (And just as the men of Sodom were after righteous Lot, as well. Gen. 19:9; II Pet. 2:7) But he did get over some of the anger, at least, and was reconciled with Jacob. (Gen. 33) Was Jacob saved? Apparently, for he is one of those listed by Apollos, in the "Hall of Fame of faith" in Heb. 11.
Folks, reread some of my earlier posts on this. Salvation is not a "birthright", nor a "blessing", in the sense Isaac blessed the twins. Salvation is, was, always has been, and always will be a gift of God, by grace through faith. Scripture knows of no other, nor any other way to 'eternal salvation'. Read what Paul wrote about Abraham and David in Rom. 4!
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What is repentence?
Action!
Going the opposite direction of which you were traveling.
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It seems it certainly should not be so hard to find, considering how many I hear repeat this, ad nausea (sic). :rolleyes:
There is a great deal of difference between admitting and "confessing one's sin", as did David (II Sam. 12:7-15; Ps.51:1-19) just as we are to do, today (I Jo. 1:6-10), and the broken spirit and heart that David had (and we should also have) as "love sacrifices", in contrast to some supposed undefined 'repentance of/from sin" (undefined, because Scripture never defines this anywhere) before one can be saved.
And this is what the thread is about. One can and should 'repent" i.e. have a "change of mind" about sin, once one is a believer. That is exactly what Paul is saying when he talks about Christian living in Rom. 4-8 and specifically - -
Repeating it ad nausea (sic) still doesn't make it Biblical. :rolleyes:
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Psa 32:1¶[[[A Psalm] of David, Maschil.]] Blessed [is he whose] transgression [is] forgiven, [whose] sin [is] covered.
Psa 38:18For I will declare mine iniquity; I will be sorry for my sin.
Jhn 21:25And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
What about Paul's works????
Act 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord [said] unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
Act 9:7And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
Act 9:8And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought [him] into Damascus.
Act 9:9And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.
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