What Jesus knew

Thanks for the posts, Bob, Gup, and Mercury.

As far as was God pleased with Jesus because of his faith, we don't know. God didn't say why he was pleased with Jesus, but we do know that Jesus was sinless, so it could have been that God was pleased with that, and with the fact that Jesus was fulfilling his mission on earth.

I guess I am still pondering this -- I have to ask if it is logical and consistent with scripture to say that Jesus set aside his attributes as God to incarnate. I do not think the Phil 2 passage teaches this at all, but teaches that Jesus set aside his glory in heaven with the Father to become humble and incarnate as a man.

I think that scriptures show he depended on the Father because he was submitting Himself as a model for us and his role was to be obedient to the Father while on earth.

I would have to think about, research, and study it more before I can say with surety that Jesus set aside his omniscience at all times on earth.
I appreciate the feedback on this thread. It is very helpful.

 

Matt 3:16-17 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


Matt 12:17-21 17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.
20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.


Matt 17:4-7 4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.


Mark 1:10-11 10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


Luke 3:21-22 21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.


Col 1:13-20 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.


2 Pet 1:16-18 16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

Bye for now. Y. b. in C. Kieth

 

Since I am "a word-faither" ((winks at Marcia)) I know that Hebrews Chapters 1 and 2 are the "All-Faith hall of fame".

Hbr 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of [our] faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

I think Jesus did know the end result of his work on the cross. Clearly, he also gave prophecy regarding himself in the future tense, so we know also that he was aware of what was to come for him.

Jhn 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.
Mar 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

Jesus knew his destiny - at least what he was there to do and what was in scripture for him to accomplish.

I think we are all agreed then that Jesus did not put off who he was - that he was always God... but that he did put off a portion of his deistic glory to become a man.

 

Hmmph its all semantecs. If I open my eyes and walk about the room and don't bump into a chair - because I could see the chair and walk around it - there is faith involved in my walking process, but it is so complete precisely BECAUSE I can see clearly where to walk!

In that sense, Jesus could be said to have had faith. The alternative, he isn't walking by "faith" as we do, because we just don't see as clearly as He sees, is certainly NOT HIS FAULT . . . and saying he "didn't have faith" is kind of an unnatural, queer way to express His complete confidence and ability to procede perfectly according to GOd's plan.

 

I will admit... I am going round and round on that part of this question. Did Jesus have faith? Did Jesus need faith? If he did have faith, what was it in?

It's certainly a very deep subject to which I don't have a definitive answer. Everyone has very good points here so far.

 

Abraham knew that only because God told him directly and we are shown that in the Bible.

Too many passages show that Jesus foretold His death and resurrection and there is no indication it was because God spoke to Him. I think if God had spoken to Him directly to give him this info, we would know that from scripture. Certainly the point that Jesus had to get revelations from God about the future would be important enough to show us in scripture? I realize that is not a solid argument but it's just a thought I have.

Gup, don't you mean Hebrews 11?

 

Good points, Mercury. Especially Jn 12.49.