I put the page number on the other thread, after you went to bed.
Check it out.
When Did the KJVO Movement Start?
Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by John of Japan, May 5, 2014.
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It's only in the last 30-or-so years we've seen church shingles or logos bearing the words "King James Bible Only" or similar, or heard preachers devoting whole sermons to KJVO.
There's no 'official' KJVO org that I know of, mainly, I believe, because KJVOs must constantly be inventing new excuses to attempt to justify their belief in a NON-SCRIPTURAL doctrine of worship, as those excuses get shot down as fast as they're made. -
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Before then you have (as I believe you pointed out) the cultist Wilkerson, J. J. Ray, Edward Hills (1967) and so forth, but none of these books spawned a movement as far as I can tell.
The KJVO movement has various organizations connected with it pushing the agenda, and there are now colleges and churches that have it on their signs and in their doctrinal statements as you've pointed out. To the best of my knowledge these things never existed in the 19th century or most of the 20th, ergo there was no KJVO movement prior to 1970 or so. -
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Sorry, you misinterpret what the statement is saying. "Principle" does not mean "source language." I myself translate the NT according to the principles the KJV was done on: from the Greek, from the TR, literally, transferring the syntax and semantics from the original language to the target language as I can. But that does not mean I translate from the KJV.
That 19th century English is a killer if you haven't read books from then enough to understand it. :smilewinkgrin:
So I'll ask again: what missionary translation before the 20th century was done with the KJV as the source document? -
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Well I think you've got a pretty solid pattern with Bob Jones Sr, Norris, and others, especially with the publication of The Fundamentals. Many modernist proponents advocated other translations, more modern ones at the time, and these guys all preached against them and their translations. I'm in the midst of a busy season and don't plan on taking time to work this out with research. So my observation is just that, an observation.
The KJVOnlyism probably didn't culminate into KJVO movement until after WW2 imho. :) -
Found this article from 2012
http://dbts.edu/blog/beginning-of-kjv-only-movement/ -
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Seems to me, that you hold it. -
When you use the term "modernist" as it was used back then it means theological liberal these days. There were conservative Bible believing men who used other versions primarily or in tandem with the KJV in the first 20 years of the 20th century for instance. -
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And again I'll ask: what missionary translation in the 19th century was done from the KJV? -
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Virtually all KJVO literature that followed used material from that one book. -
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Now, y'all might wonder why I keep calling the KJVO doctrine a myth, or even a doctrine. The reasons are:
1.) A doctrine is anything taught, and KJVO IS taught.
2.) A myth is any INVENTED, FICTITIOUS story, idea, concept, or false collective belief, and KJVO fits this definition exactly. Thus, I refer to the KJVO MYTH.
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