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When Does God Send People Strong Delusions To Believe Lies?

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  1. 3rdAngel

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    AMEN! Thankyou. The false Gospel of "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED" tries to separate God' Law from Grace when it is the very Law of God that brings us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *GALATIANS 3:22-25

    This is the purpose of God's LAW in the Gospel. It teacher us that we are all sinners in need of a Savior that we might be justified by Faith.

    * IF there is NO LAW then we have no KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is (NO TEACHER, SCHOOLMASTER)
    * IF we have no KNOWLEDGE of SIN we do not KNOW that we are all sinners in need of a Savior.
    * IF we have no need of a Savior then we have no Salvation.
    * If we have no Salvation then we are all lost because we are still in our sins and the scripture is fulfilled

    ROMANS 3:12-13 [12], For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; [13], For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

    God's LAW is our TEACHER that gives us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is and lead us to Christ that we might be justified by FAITH.
    Gods Word is the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST the living Word of God and I BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. What sin do you convict me of that needs repentance? Or are these your words denying Gods Word in order to justify your working and breaking Gods 4th Commandment Sabbath after you have been given a knowledge of the truth *ACTS 17:30-31; HEBREWS 10:26-39? No one claims Gods promises or do they know God or do they have Gods salvation while practicing sin (breakin Gods law) *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; HEBREWS 10:26-39.

    You shall know them by their fruits...
     
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    Are you really interested in correcting this? I dare say you do not understand the reasons those who hold such a "wrong" view believe the word of God teaches it.

    I can make a list of Scriptures which give those who believe that "wrong" do so.

    Here is one case verse:
    Hebrews 10:17
    ". . . And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. . . ."

    Yes, there is a context. But that verse has within it a reason. It has in it a Greek phrase translated "no." Which is can be understood to mean "not in any way." . . . ου μη . . .
     
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    For every scripture you provide I can show you through Gods Word alone why it does not say or teach "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED" Fow example the scripture you quote in HEBREWS 10:17 is in reference to God's ISRAEL referenced from *JEREMIAH 31:31-34 also repeated in HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gods ISRAEL in the new Covenant are all those who "BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD * EPHESIANS 2:11-13; GALATIANS 3:28-29; ROMANS 9:6-8; ROMANS 2:28-29; COLOSSIANS 3:11. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 10:26-27. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27. So the promise here are to those who are "BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING GODS WORD".

    God's Word (not mine) "WARNS" BELIEVERS not to "FALL AWAY" and "DEPART THE FAITH" in HEBREW 6:4-8 and HEBREWS 10:26-39 These scrptures show that these "WARNINGS" are to "BELIEVERS" not to "FALL AWAY" and "DEPART THE FAITH" in HEBREW 6:4-8 and HEBREWS 10:26-39 are references to those who were "ONCE BELIEVERS" that departed the faith to live a life of known unrepentant sin as stated in HEBREWS 10:26 "For if we (believers) sin willfully after we (believers) receive a knowledge of the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of judgement to come.

    "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED" is not biblical. Only those who endure temptation to the end "BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING GODS WORD" receive everlasting life. All of Gods promises from GENESIS to REVELATION and Gods salvation are "CONDITIONAL" on "BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING GODS WORD".

    God bless
     
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    You are not understand. There are two types of forgiveness. revokable, Matthew 18:32 - Matthew 18:35. And the irrevokable Hebrews 10:16-18.

    Greek phrase translated "no." Which is can be understood to mean "not in any way." . . . ου μη . . .
     
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    I understand very well by God's Spirit thank you brother. What you are quoting from in the scriptures provided to you agrees with "ου μη". It is the application of who it applies to that your not understanding. All of Gods promises from GENESIS to REVELATION and Gods salvation are "CONDITIONAL" on "BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING GODS WORD". The application is to those who are believing and following Gods Word to the end *JAMES 1:12.

    Gods Word warns believers can "FALL AWAY" and "DEPART THE FAITH" in HEBREWS 10:26-39 with application to those who were "ONCE BELIEVERS" who departed the faith to live a life of known unrepentant sin as stated in HEBREWS 10:26 "For if we (believers) sin willfully after we (believers) receive a knowledge of the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of judgement to come.

    This demonstrates the application of salvation and Gods promises are "CONDITIONAL" on "BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING GODS WORD". If the scripture teach we can leave or depart the faith to become "UNBELIEVERS" than it also proves that "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED" is a false teaching and is not biblical.
     
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    Yes. In Hebrews 10:17 and contexts. An irrefutable forgiveness in contrast to a forgiveness that can be refuted, Matthew 18:35.
     
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    Sorry brother you may need to explain yourself a little better. Your post is not making any sense and I do not understand what you are talking about. Did you wish to explain yourself a little more?
     
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    Simple. God deals with all people the exact same way. Those who soften their hearts are able to hear the gospel, but those who continue to harden their own hearts, will not. God does not show partiality with anyone (Deut 10:17; 2 Chr 19:7; Acts 10:34, Rom 2:11; Gal 2:6; Eph 6:9; Col 3:25; 1 Pet 1:17).

    Titus 2:11 (NASB95)
    11 "For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men."

    1 Timothy 2:3–4 (NASB95)
    3"This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
    4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."


    Ezekiel 18:23 (NASB95)
    23 “Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked,” declares the Lord God, “rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?"

    2 Peter 3:9 (NASB95)
    9 "The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance"
     
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    There is forgivness under the OC, Matthew 18:32; Matthew 18:35. Then there is non reversable forgiveness under tbe NC, Hebrews 10:16-17. Where the Greek indicating this is the "ου μη."
     
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    No brother your confused and here is why...

    God's "FORGIVENESS" is "CONDITIONAL" on "BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING GODS WORD" in the "present tense" to "BELIEVING" or continuing to believe *JOHN 3:15-21; MATTHEW 7:24-27; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; JOHN 10:1-10; JOHN 10:26-27.

    All those who do not "BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GODS WORD (present tense)" do not have Gods forgiveness *HEBREWS 10:26-39; 1 JOHN 1:9; 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

    The Greek indicating "ου μη" is only in reference to those who "BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GODS WORD (present tense)" It is not in reference to those who do not "BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GODS WORD" or to those who "BELIEVED AND FOLLOWED GODS WORD (past tense)" yesterday and have departed the faith to no longer "BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GODS WORD" today *HEBREWS 6:4-8; HEBREWS 10:26-39.
     
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    I never said I "practiced" sin, (1 John 3:9) yet I don't claim to be sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, 100% of the time either. Do you claim to be sinless, 100% of the time? (1 John 1:8-10)

    Oh the irony. :rolleyes:

    I am not an Israelite under the law, so I am not obligated to keep the sabbath day under the Mosaic law. (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; Deuteronomy 5:15; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 9:13; 10:31) We are now under the new covenant. Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. :)

    Once again, oh the irony. The scriptures that you cite to condemn others actually condemn you.

    Matthew 7:21 - Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. *John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. These many people (unbelievers) in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in their works to save them and NOT IN CHRIST ALONE. *Sound familiar? ;) Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were NEVER saved. Their hearts were not right with God, so their "attempted external obedience" (apart from the righteousness of God which is by faith and the blood of Christ) was stained with sin. *Seeking salvation by works is not the will of the Father. You need to wake up before it's too late! REPENT AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL.

    John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge. These many people were not true converts. *Without faith it's impossible to please God no matter how many alleged wonderful works that these many people set out to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to obtain salvation based on their works. This is why Jesus referred to these many people as "workers of iniquity." God does not see the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus (Romans 4:5-6; Philippians 3:9) when he looks at unbelievers, but instead, He see's all of their sins which still remain and have not been washed away by the blood of Christ.
     
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    Believers are under the new covenant and not the law of Moses. You seem to have more faith in the 4th commandment to save you than you do in Jesus to save you. How tragic! As I previously mentioned, references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant (Colossians 2:16-17) so your false accusation holds no merit.

    1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
    2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
    3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7; James 5:12
    4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
    5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
    6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
    7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
    8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
    9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
    10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

    The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter. "No one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, new wine must be poured into new wineskins." (Luke 5:37-38).

    I understand what keep, guard, observe, watch over means and it does not mean sinless perfection or salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works."

    It's you who is confused and I don't deny the words of Jesus. On those two commandments does hang all the law and the prophets, yet that still does not change the fact that the old covenant has been made obsolete by the new covenant. (Hebrews 8:13) The whole SDA sales pitch is all about obtaining salvation based on the merits of obeying all ten commandments from the old testament (with a heavy emphasis on the 4th commandment).

    So have you PERFECTLY obeyed ALL ten commandments and do you believe that will receive eternal life based on the merits of your performance? Obviously you do because all you talk about is the 10 commandments with a heavy emphasis on the 4th commandment. You have some major self righteous issues and fail to acknowledge your complete need for Jesus Christ to save you.

    The new covenant is not the Mosaic law repackaged and where does John say "10 Commandments" in 1 John 2:3-4? He doesn't. You still have not made the transition from the old covenant into the new covenant. You are still under the law and those who are under the law are under a curse. (Galatians 3:10)

    You pervert the gospel then have the audacity to judge me? Your fruits have been obvious for all to see on the Baptistboard. You are not fooling us and you are also not my judge.

    You are not a lawyer or a psychiatrist, so enough with the deceit, rhetoric, sugar coated double talk, psycho analysis and propaganda. What's sad for you is that you have been completely brain washed by a dangerous cult and are completely clueless about your status. Let me know when you are ready to REPENT AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL. I will continue to pray for you.
     
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    If this (Col. 2:16) is really the "strongest verse refuting" I would hope you consider what I am about to share on it, since the Bible warns us taking a single verse from its context. Please consider prayerfully (my short, brief study, as I have a much longer (approximately 33 pages) version as needful):

    Colossians 2 KJB (citing Ezekiel 45:17 KJB), parallels Ephesians 2 KJB, and Hebrews 9-10 KJB. The language is the same. The "ordinances" in Colossians 2 deals with "shadows", such as the daily "meat and drink" offerings of a worldly sanctuary and carnal ordinances, the seasonal "feast days", the monthly "new moons", and the year based "sabbaths", in the singular, every 7 and 50th years, as Paul is citing Psalms 98:1-3; and Ezekiel 45:17 KJB with other texts.

    The Sabbath of the LORD thy God is always called "my [as in God's] sabbaths", and the others in Leviticus 23:4 onward are called "your [the peoples] sabbaths" [Leviticus 26:35 KJB] which are "beside [given in addition to] the sabbaths of the LORD" [Leviticus 23:38 KJB]. The Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath of the 4th Commandment, are "light" [Proverbs 6:23, Isaiah 8:20, 51:4 KJB], never a "shadow", are "spiritual" [Romans 7:14 KJB], never "carnal" [Hebrews 9:10 KJB].

    Colossians 2:14 - "ordinances"
    Ephesians 2:15 - "law of commandments contained in ordinances"
    Hebrews 9:1 - "ordinances of divine service"
    Hebrews 9:10 - "carnal ordinances"

    Colossians 2:16 - "in meat, or in drink" [offerings]
    Hebrews 9:10 - "meats and drinks" [offerings]

    Colossians 2:12 - "also ye are risen with him"
    Ephesians 2:6 - "raised us up together"

    Colossians 2:16 - "a shadow of things to come"
    Ephesians 2:7 - "in the ages to come"
    Hebrews 9:11 - "of good things to come"
    Hebrews 10:1 - "the law having a shadow of good things to come", "those sacrifices", "offered year by year"

    [ps. none of the Ten Commandments deal with carnal sacrifices]

    it speaks of plural, "sabbath days" (or 'of sabbaths'). The context, is also not concerned with all 'sabbaths' but is limited in scope, to that which is "shadow" (not light, not body or substance), that which is "of things to come" (type pointing to the future events) and of "ordinances", as follows.

    [1] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, of Creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11), was given to mankind (Adam) before the sin of mankind (Mark 2:27), before the need of shadow and type, which were given after the sin of mankind, under the Levitical priesthood.

    [2] The Sabbath of the LORD the God, is a memorial (pointing backwards, thu the words "Remember" (Exodus 20:8)), to a perfect world without sin, perfect relationship, perfect rest), and is not pointing to the future.

    [3] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, is singular and specific. "The seventh day" "the sabbath" "of the LORD thy God".

    Exodus 20:8 KJB - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
    Exodus 20:9 KJB - Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
    Exodus 20:10 KJB - But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
    Exodus 20:11 KJB - For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

    Exodus 20:8 HOT - זכור את־יום השׁבת לקדשׁו׃
    Exodus 20:9 HOT - שׁשׁת ימים תעבד ועשׂית כל־מלאכתך׃
    Exodus 20:10 HOT - ויום השׁביעי שׁבת ליהוה אלהיך לא־תעשׂה כל־מלאכה אתה ובנך־ובתך עבדך ואמתך ובהמתך וגרך אשׁר בשׁעריך׃
    Exodus 20:11 HOT - כי שׁשׁת־ימים עשׂה יהוה את־השׁמים ואת־הארץ את־הים ואת־כל־אשׁר־בם וינח ביום השׁביעי על־כן ברך יהוה את־יום השׁבת ויקדשׁהו׃

    Exodus 20:8 HOT Translit. - zäkhôr et-yôm haSHaBät l'qaD'shô
    Exodus 20:9 HOT Translit. - shëshet yämiym Taávod w'äsiytä Käl-m'lakh'Tekhä
    Exodus20:10 HOT Translit. -w'yôm haSH'viyiy shaBät layhwäh éloheykhä lo-taáseh khäl-m'läkhäh aTäh ûvin'khä-ûviTekhä av'D'khä waámät'khä ûv'hem'Tekhä w'gër'khä ásher Bish'äreykhä
    Exodus 20:11 HOT Translit. - Kiy shëshet-yämiym äsäh y'hwäh et-haSHämayim w'et-hääretz et-haYäm w'et-Käl-ásher-Bäm waYänach BaYôm haSH'viyiy al-Kën Bërakh' y'hwäh et-yôm haSHaBät way'qaD'shëhû š

    [4] The Sabbath of the LORD is separate from the yearly festal sabbaths, as denoted in Leviticus 23 (see Leviticus 23:3; then see Leviticus 23:4,38 "beside the sabbaths of the LORD")

    [5] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, is called "the sabbath of the LORD" (Exodus 20:8-11, etc), and "My sabbaths" (Isaiah 56:4; Ezekiel 20:20), as opposed to theirs, called "your sabbaths" (Leviticus 26:34,35), and "her sabbaths" (Leviticus 26:34,43; 2 Chronicles 26:31; Lamentations 1:7; Hosea 2:11), etc.

    [6] Colossians 2, in its entire context says nothing about "the seventh day", but speaks of merely the shadow sabbaths (plural, not singular), and says nothing of "commandment" (as Luke 23:54,56 does), but speaks of worldly "ordinances" (Colossians 2:14,20).

    [7] Colossians 2, speaks of "sins" (Colossian 2:13), which is "transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4), of which the 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) is central, whereas the yearly (and of years) sabbaths are not given in the Ten Commandments at all

    More can be said, but 7 was a good number to round it off at this point, more in detail in a bit.

    Paul was citing Ezekiel 45:17:

    Eze 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

    Read Ezekiel 45 in all of its context,

    Eze_45:14 Concerning the ordinance of oil, the bath of oil, ye shall offer the tenth part of a bath out of the cor, which is an homer of ten baths; for ten baths are an homer:

    etc.

    Paul's use of Ezekiel 45:17 is in both places contextual to "ordinances", and "shadow", and elsewhere "carnal" and "worldly" (Ephesians 2 and Hebrews 9-10).

    Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

    Therefore, it is not all "sabbaths". It is limited to Paul's citation, and use.
     
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    Interestingly enough Albert Barnes, a noted Bible Commentator, states on Colossians 2:16, on the word “sabbatwn”:

    “... Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, “of the Sabbaths.” The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of holy rest that were observed by the Hebrews, and particularly to the beginning and close of their great festivals. There is, doubtless, reference to those days in this place, since the word is used in the plural number, and the apostle does not refer particularly to the Sabbath properly so called. There is no evidence from this passage that he would teach that there was no obligation to observe any holy time, for there is not the slightest reason to believe that he meant to teach that one of the ten commandments had ceased to be binding on mankind. If he had used the word in the singular number - “the Sabbath,” it would then, of course, have been clear that he meant to teach that that commandment had ceased to be binding, and that a Sabbath was no longer to be observed. But the use of the term in the plural number, and the connection, show that he had his eye on the great number of days which were observed by the Hebrews as festivals, as a part of their ceremonial and typical law, and not to the moral law, or the Ten Commandments. No part of the moral law - no one of the ten commandments could be spoken of as “a shadow of good things to come.” These commandments are, from the nature of moral law, of perpetual and universal obligation. ...” - Albert Barnes, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

    Furthermore, another noted Commentator, Adam Clarke, states on the same passage:

    “... There is no intimation here that the Sabbath was done away, or that its moral use was superseded, by the introduction of Christianity. I have shown elsewhere that, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, is a command of perpetual obligation, and can never be superseded but by the final termination of time. ...” - Adam Clarke, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

    Even the Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary state:

    “... the sabbath — Omit “THE,” which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on Gal_4:10). “SABBATHS” (not “the sabbaths”) of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Lev_23:32, Lev_23:37-39). The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Lev_23:38 expressly distinguished “the sabbath of the Lord” from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb_4:9, “rests,” Greek, “keeping of sabbath” (Isa_66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Rom_13:8-10). ...” - Jamieson, Fausset and Brown, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.
     
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    Strawman. Seventh-day Adventists teach the New Covenant:

    Isaiah 56:1 KJB - Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.

    Who is this talking about? It is talking about Jesus [see also Isaiah 46:13, 51:5,6,8 KJB, “my righteousness shall not be abolished”, Psalms 119:172, “all thy commandments are righteousness”, see also Isaiah 48:18 KJB]:

    Matthew 1:21 KJB - And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

    Luke 2:30 KJB - For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

    Acts 4:10 KJB - Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

    Acts 4:12 KJB - Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

    Etc.

    Jump briefly to the next verse in Isaiah 56, verse 8 KJB:

    Isaiah 56:8 KJB - The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

    Who is this talking about? It is Jesus Christ again, and those whom He gathers from two, to make one:

    John 10:16 KJB - And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

    Jesus Himself, says that He is fulfilling the prophecy of Isaiah 56:1,8 KJB, in John 10:16 KJB. Now, go back and let us read the context between them:

    Isaiah 56:1 KJB - Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.

    Isaiah 56:2 KJB - Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

    Isaiah 56:3 KJB - Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

    Isaiah 56:4 KJB - For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

    Isaiah 56:5 KJB - Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

    Isaiah 56:6 KJB - Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

    Isaiah 56:7 KJB - Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

    Isaiah 56:8 KJB - The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

    Even the Gentiles were to join themselves to this “Israel”, to the LORD [JEHOVAH Immanuel] Jesus and keep God's holy seventh day the sabbath in the Everlasting Covenant?

    Matthew 10:25 KJB - It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

    Malachi 1:6 KJB - A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?

    Luke 6:40 KJB - The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

    Absolutely, see its fulfillment in the New Testament [“... the Gentiles are turned to God:” - Acts 15:19 KJB, “That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called ...” - Acts 15:17 KJB, not to cast away the Tabernacle of David, no, but to build it up, see Acts 15:16-17; Amos 9:11-12 KJB, for God had winked at the ignorance of all men in the past, but now commands all men everywhere to come to Him in repentance, and come into obedience to His Law, see Acts 17:30 KJB, see Acts 4:24, 14:15-16; Revelation 10:6, 14:6-7; 2 Peter 2:21; Revelation 12:17; 14:12, 22:14 KJB].

    Hebrews 4 itself speaks of the sabbath-keeping that remains, in Hebrews 4:9.

    There is an entire study on Hebrews 4 here.
     
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    Hmmm, the Sabbath commandment and keeping it holy in the NT (as the OT), doesn't seem all that hard to find:

    Act 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

    Act 13:14 αυτοι δε διελθοντες απο της περγης παρεγενοντο εις αντιοχειαν της πισιδιας και εισελθοντες εις την συναγωγην τη ημερα των σαββατων εκαθισαν

    Act 13:14 (Latin Vulgate) illi vero pertranseuntes Pergen venerunt Antiochiam Pisidiae et ingressi synagogam die sabbatorum sederunt

    Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

    Act 13:44 τω δε ερχομενω σαββατω σχεδον πασα η πολις συνηχθη ακουσαι τον λογον του θεου

    Act 13:44 (Latin Vulgate) sequenti vero sabbato paene universa civitas convenit audire verbum Domini

    Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

    Act 18:4 διελεγετο δε εν τη συναγωγη κατα παν σαββατον επειθεν τε ιουδαιους και ελληνας

    Acts 18:4 (Latin Vulgate) --- (Missing) (Found that interesting)

    So from these texts cited, we clearly see that "the sabbath" is still the 7th day of the week in the NT, and hasn't changed a bit. Luke, under inspiration of the Holy Ghost, years after the ascension of Jesus still records as such.

    In connecting Acts 18:4, to Acts 18:11,

    Act 18:11 And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.

    We see that Paul "... reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath ...", for a "year and six months", which would be about 78 Sabbaths (52 weeks per year, thus 52 (1 Year) + 26 (6 Months)). Could the Latin 'Vulgate' of Jerome be trying to hide this fact by having vs 4 "non-existent" (even though the Douay Rheims has the verse)?

    Never the less, those are very few of the scriptures in the NT. What we share are these:

    The many times that the "Sabbath" of the LORD is given in the Old Testament (Genesis to Malachi)

    Genesis 2:1-3; (see also, Genesis 18:19, 26:5, &c.)

    The sabbath commandment in the beginning with God (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11; Psalms 119:142).

    The sabbath commandment with Adam (Mark 2:27; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14).

    The sabbath commandment with Enoch (Genesis 5:22,24; Hebrews 11:5; Isaiah 58:13)

    The sabbath commandment with Noah (Genesis 6:9; 2 Peter 2:5; Psalms 119:172).

    The sabbath commandment with Eber (Genesis 10:21,24-25; Exodus 3:18, 5:3, 7:16).

    The sabbath commandment with Abraham (Genesis 17:9, 18:19, 26:5; 2 Chronicles 20:7; Isaiah 41:8; James 2:23; John 15:14).

    The sabbath commandment with Isaac (Genesis 17:9, 18:19, 26:5).

    The sabbath commandment with Jacob/Israel (Genesis 17:9, 18:19, 26:5, 32:28).

    The sabbath commandment with Moses (Exodus 5:4-5;, 16:1-36, 20:8-11; Deuteronomy 5:12-15, 31:12-18). ...

    The sabbath commandment with Jesus (Luke 4:16-19).

    The sabbath commandment with the Apostles/Disciples (Acts 1:2, (4:24), 13:14,27,42,44, (14:15), 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4; Hebrews 3:11,18, 4:1,3,4,5,8,9,10,11; Revelation 1:10, 10:6, 12:17, 14:6-7)

    The sabbath commandment with us today (Hebrews 4:9; Revelation 12:17, 14:6-7; John 14:15; Exodus 20:6,8-11).

    The sabbath commandment on into eternity (Isaiah 66:23).

    Exodus 5:4-5,8-9, 16:23-30, 20:8-11, 23:12, 31:12-18, 34:21, 35:1-3

    Leviticus 19:3,30, 23:3,11,15-16,38, 24:8, 26:2

    Numbers 15:32, 28:9

    Deuteronomy 5:12-15

    2 Kings 4:23, 11:5,7,9, 16:18

    1 Chronicles 9:32, 23:31

    2 Chronicles 2:4, 8:13, 23:4,8, 31:3

    Nehemiah 9:6,14, 10:31,33, 13:15-22

    Psalms 92:1, 146:6

    Isaiah 56:2,4,6, 58:13, 66:23

    Jeremiah 17:21-27

    Ezekiel 20:12-24, 22:8,26, 23:38, 44:24, 46:1,3-4,12

    Amos 8:5

    The many times that the "Sabbath" of the LORD is given in the New Testament:

    Matthew
    12:1,2,5,8,10,11,12, 24:20, 28:1;

    Mark 1:21, 2:23,24,27,28, 3:2,4, 6:2, 7:6-9, 15:42, 16:1;

    Luke 4:16,31, 6:1,2,5,6,7,9, 13:10,14,15,16, 14:1,3,5, 23:54,56;

    John 5:9,10,16,18, 7:22,23, 9:14,16, 12:1 (calculated), 19:31;

    Acts 1:2, 4:24, 13:14,27,42,44, 14:15-16, 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4;

    Additional references are:

    John
    12:1 (six days before the Passover, Jesus was at Lazarus' house, on Sabbath)

    Hebrews 3:11, 4:1,3,4,5,8,9,10,11; [Hebrews 4:9 "rest" Greek: sabbatismos, literal sabbath-keeping]

    Revelation 1:10 [kuriake hemera, "the Lord's Day" [the 7th Day Sabbath, not "the Day of the Lord", this is totally different in the Greek], see Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Deuteronomy 5:12:15, Isaiah 58:13, 66:23, Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:27,28; Luke 6:5 ], Revelation 10:6 [see also Exodus 20:11, 31:17; Nehemiah 9:6; Psalms 146:6; Acts 4:24, 14:15, Revelation 14:7]; Revelation 14:7 [see previous], etc

    Additionally, further references in the Greek are [every single 'first [day] of the week' text, as each text clearly shows that the first day is simply a number, with no special association or designation, other than it is simply one day toward the culmination of the week, being the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God]:

    Genesis
    1:5 (Masoretes Hebrew) יום אחד׃ (Transliterated) yôm echäd f

    Matthew 28:1(a) - (Koine Greek) οψε δε σαββατων (Transliterated) oye de sabbatwn

    Matthew 28:1(b) - (Koine Greek) εις μιαν σαββατων (Transliterated) eiV mian sabbatwn

    Mark 16:2 - (Koine Greek) και λιαν πρωι της μιας σαββατων (Transliterated) kai lian prwi ths mias sabbatwn

    Mark 16:9 - (Koine Greek) αναστας δε πρωι πρωτη σαββατου (Transliterated) anastas de prwi prwth sabbatou

    Luke 24:1 - (Koine Greek) τη δε μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th de mia twn sabbatwn

    John 20:1 - (Koine Greek) τη δε μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th de mia twn sabbatwn

    John 20:19 - (Koine Greek) τη μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th mia twn sabbatwn

    Acts 20:7 - (Koine Greek) εν δε τη μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) en de th mia twn sabbatwn

    1 Corinthians 16:2 - (Koine Greek) κατα μιαν σαββατων (Transliterated) kata mian sabbatwn
     
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    1Pe_2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

    Paul was following

    Jesus "pattern":


    Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

    Paul:

    Act_17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

    So, what Paul was doing, was what Jesus already did. So in preaching the Gospel as Jesus did (citing Isaiah 61:1 in Luke 4:18-19), Paul is following his Master and Lord of the Sabbath - Jesus.

    Was Jesus keeping Sabbath in so doing? Yes, Jesus said so Himself:

    Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

    So, what was Paul doing then, in preaching the Gospel to Jews and Gentiles? Keeping God's commandments, while preaching the Gospel just as Jesus.

    There are some who like to pretend that when Paul went to the synagogue on the sabbath and preached the Gospel (just as Jesus did), that Paul wasn't keeping the sabbath, and preached against keeping it. Does that sound like following Jesus to you? Does that sound like Paul to you?

    Rom_3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

    Rom_6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

    Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

    Rom_8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

    Well, some people might think I am cherry picking ... let's get a broader view:

    How did Paul teach about the Law, Ten Commandments, and Sin and Transgression just in the Book of Romans?

    “...keep the righteousness of the law ...” [Romans 2:26;p]

    “...if it fulfil the law ...” [Romans 2:27;p]

    “...we establish the law ...” [Romans 3:31;p]

    “... we are buried with him by baptism into death...that like as Christ was raised up... even so we also should walk in newness of life.” [Romans 6:4;p]

    “...our old man is crucified...we should not serve sin.” [Romans 6:6;p]

    “...he that is dead is freed from sin.” [Romans 6:7;p]

    “...in that he died, he died unto sin...he liveth unto God.” [Romans 6:10;p]

    “...reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.” [Romans 6:11;p]

    “Let not sin therefore reign...” [Romans 6:12;p]

    “Neither yield ye your members [as] instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members [as] instruments of righteousness unto God.” [Romans 6:13]

    “... shall we sin...God forbid.” [Romans 6:15;p]

    “Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?” [Romans 6:16]

    “... ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.” [Romans 6:16;p]

    “...made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.” [Romans 6:18;p]

    “...as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.” [Romans 6:19;p]

    “...ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.” [Romans 6:20;p]

    “...fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things [is] death.” [Romans 6:21;p]

    “...made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.” [Romans 6:22;p]

    “... the wages of sin [is] death...” [Romans 6:23;p]

    “...[Is] the law sin? God forbid...I had not known sin, but by the law...I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.” [Romans 7:7;p]

    “...the commandment, which [was ordained] to life ...” [Romans 7:10;p]

    “...the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.” [Romans 7:12;p]

    “For we know that the law is spiritual ...” [Romans 7:14;p]

    “...I consent unto the law that [it is] good.” [Romans 7:16;p]

    “That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” [Romans 8:4]

    “...they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.” [Romans 8:5;p]

    “...to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.” [Romans 8:6;p]

    “...the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.” [Romans 8:7;p]

    “...they that are in the flesh cannot please God.” [Romans 8:8;p]

    “...we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.” [Romans 8:12;p]

    “...if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” [Romans 8:13;p]

    “...the law of righteousness.” [Romans 9:31;p]

    “...Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.” [Romans 12:9;p]

    “Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.” [Romans 13:8]

    “For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” [Romans 13:9]

    “Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.” [Romans 13:10]

    “...cast off the works of darkness...” [Romans 13:12;p]

    “Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.” [Romans 13:13]

    “...make not provision for the flesh, to [fulfil] the lusts [thereof].” [Romans 13:14;p]

    How did Paul feel about the Ten Commandments, the Law, in other places?

    “...Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise; ) [Ephesians 6:2]

    “...the law [is] good, if a man use it lawfully ...” [1 Timothy 1:8;p]

    “For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.” [Galatians 2:18]

    Now to the differences between that which is God's (His) and theirs (Hers).

    The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, is called "the sabbath of the LORD" (Exodus 20:8-11, etc), and "My sabbaths" (Isaiah 56:4; Ezekiel 20:20), as opposed to theirs, called "your sabbaths" (Leviticus 26:34,35), and "her sabbaths" (Leviticus 26:34,43; 2 Chronicles 26:31; Lamentations 1:7; Hosea 2:11), etc.

    Makes me wonder what happens when such people get a gift of "His" and "Her" towels. Or see a blue door that leads to a rest area and one says, "His", and another "Hers". Do they confuse those as much as this?
     
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    That is because most of the "churches" teach their (10C) transgression is no big deal, and moreso in regards the 4th commandment than any other. (as you do in every place you go). It also needs to be emphasized because this generation has forgotten their Creator and teach secularism, atheism, deism, agnosticism, "I AMism", and all else:

    Ecc_12:1 Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;

    Hence, the memorial, if mankind had kept in God's grace, there never would have been such things as an atheist:

    Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
    Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
    Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
    Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

    Therefore, you are responsible, O 'mailmandan' for much more than you realize. Your very actions, not just words, are indeed sowing much. You will reap everything that you have sown, and always more than you have sown. It is as according to God's Law of reaping and sowing.
     
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    You ought really identify yourself as 'strawmandan', as in every place we show with demonstration otherwise. Yet, you continue onward anyway as if nothing was shown you, or said to you contrary to such imagination of your own making.

    It is amazing that you cannot even see the connection of the Gospel to the 4th Commandment:

    Luk 4:14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
    Luk 4:15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
    Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
    Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
    Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
    Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
    Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
    Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
     
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    Heb_8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

    Here are some of the passages that speak of the New Covenant (also called the Everlasting Covenant, the covenant of life and peace, and the counsel of peace), that Seventh-day Adventists proclaim to the world. Genesis 3:15,22, 22:18, 26:4; Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 11:19-20, 18:31, 36:25-29, 37:26-28; Zechariah 6:13; Malachi 2:5; Gospels (Last supper, blood of the new testament) 2 Corinthians 3:1-18; Hebrews 8:6-13, 10:16.

    The "new" Covenant existed before (even from eternity, between the Father and the Son, witnessed by the Holy Ghost) the 'old', but the 'old' was ratified with "blood" (Ezekiel 24:8) before the "new" (Hebrews 12:24; 1 Peter 1:2), and thus the 'old' was said to be 'first' (Hebrews 8:13), though in actuality it was presented after.

    Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

    Gen_18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

    Yes, Abraham taught his children and grandchildren the Ten Commandments of God. For He spake face to face with Jesus and talked with him as with a friend, and was known, as Moses, as the friend of God.

    Jesus said the same:

    Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

    To begin with, Jesus Christ is the true Israel, the anti-type, the Israel that is not the type as Jacob was.

    Jesus is Israel (Matthew 2:13-15; Hosea 11:1; his children are his disciples; Hebrews 2:13; Isaiah 8:16,18; John 13:33), the true "overcomer" (John 16:33; Revelation 3:21), the real "Prince" with God (Isaiah 9:6; Daniel 8:11,25, 9:25, 10:13,21, 11:22, 12:1; Acts 3:15, 5:31; Revelation 1:5), being Lord over His own house, whose house are we (Psalms 98:3; Hebrews 3:6; Jeremiah 31:33), who himself is the "elect" (Isaiah 42:1; Matthew 12:18; 1 Peter 2:6) of the Father, in whom all the promises of God find their realization (2 Corinthians 1:20). The promises made by God were all based upon condition (Exodus 19).

    Mat 2:13-15; Hos 11:1; Jer 31:33; Rom 9:6-8; Heb 2:13; Isa 8:16,18; Jhn 13:33, 16:33, 17:12, 18:9, 21:5; 1 Cor 15:46; 2 Cor 1:20; Gal 6:16; Heb 3:6, 8:8,10; Rev 3:21

    'Israel' "after the flesh", as a 'nation', is left desolate (Matthew 23:38; Luke 13:35), to bear no more fruit ever again (Matthew 21:19), cursed, withered away (Mark 11:21), dried up from the roots (Mark 11:20), "twice dead" (Jude 1:12), and the axe already laid at their root (Matthew 3:10; Luke 3:9), cut down and to be thrown into the fire.

    The New [or Everlasting] Covenant is only made with the spiritual “Israel” (Jesus Christ, the "elect" of the Father; Isaiah 42:1; Matthew 12:18-20), this “Judah” (Revelation 5:5) and His “house” (2 Corinthians 1:20 KJB - For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.; – for Christ Jesus, the true “Israel” is the “elect” of God, and thus all who choose to be in Him; see Isaiah 42:1, 45:4, 65:9 KJB):

    Hebrews 3:6 KJB - But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

    Isaiah 42:1 KJB - Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

    Hebrews 8:5 KJB - Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

    Hebrews 8:6 KJB - But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

    Hebrews 8:7 KJB - For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

    Hebrews 8:8 KJB - For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

    [see Exodus 19:3-8 KJB, for the 'old covenant' is never, in all of scripture [KJB], the Ten Commandments [the perfect, righteousness, spiritual, holy, just and good and eternal Law of God; Psalms 19:7; Romans 9:31; Romans 7:14; James 1:25; Psalms 119:44-45; Romans 7:12; Psalms 89:34; Exodus 20:1-17, especially Exodus 20:8, “holy”, see Isaiah 58:13; 2 Peter 3:2 KJB], but was always the faulty promises of the peoples Israel after the flesh, made in agreement to do all that the LORD says. They failed. Why? Works and no Faith [Romans 9:32 KJB]. They [in general] attempted without God's strength [Revelation 12:10-12; Romans 5:6; 1 Corinthians 1:24 KJB], and though they were free physically, they were still slaves spiritually, that is of the heart and mind: 'all that the LORD hath said we will do', their faulty promises, and yet they did not, for they sinned by the golden calf.

    The Everlasting Covenant (Galatians 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though [it be] but a man's covenant, yet [if it be] confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.)

    This New/Everlasting/Eternal Covenant [which existed before the 'old', even from eternity, for the Father and Son clasped hands in agreement, the Holy Ghost as Witness, should [when] sin [the mystery of iniquity] arise, they would work out the plan of Redemption, thus it is “the everlasting covenant” or the covenant of life and peace, or the counsel of peace, ratified by the blood of the Son of God Himself and by the Father in Heaven, see Psalms 89:3,28,34, 105:8; Isaiah 13:12, 42:6; Malachi 2:5 [Jesus is the True Levi, meaning attached unto His Father], 3:1; John 19:30 [he finished laying the foundation, the words were unto His Father], 17:24 [the agreement in eternity past was made, Jesus kept His word, performed His vows, and now the promise from the Father was to be fulfilled]; John 3:16; John 19:28; Hebrews 13:20; Revelation 13:8; Psalms 40:7-8; Hebrews 10:7-9; Psalms 116:14-18; Ezekiel 38:23; John 17:19; John 10:18; 8:28; Psalms 110:4; Zechariah 6:13, etc., etc. for surely as the Rainbow is above God's throne, so the covenant between Father and Son, witnessed by the Holy Ghost, is eternal], made between the Father and the Son in eternity, witnessd by the Holy Ghost, was “confirmed” [“he shall confirm the covenant with many” Daniel 9:27 and "confirmed" at the first by Jesus [Hebrews 2:3; Romans 15:8] and afterward by the disciples for the remaining time] by Jesus Christ, and was mentioned at the "Last Supper" [what we would call Thursday night] [“For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” Matthew 26:28; see also Mark 14:24 “my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many” and also Luke 22:20 “cup [is] the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you” and also 1 Corinthians 11:24 “This cup is the new testament in my blood”], and thus was ratified by the shed blood of Jesus at Calvary and thus by His death [Psalms 116:14,18, and ratified by the Father upon His ascension, Psalms 61:5], which means that nothing may be removed [Luke 23:56, "Sabbath (the 7th day; God's rest) according to the commandment"] and nothing may be added ["first" [day], cannot be added, as it is far too late from Calvary] once confirmed by the death [on what we would call Friday afternoon] of the Testator - Christ Jesus [Hebrews 10:29].

    The only way to change/ratify the Covenant would be for Christ Jesus to die again [Hebrews 9:16-17] and shed additional blood [Hebrews 12:4]. And we know that Christ Jesus "once for all" [Hebrews 10:10] paid the redemption price and "dieth no more" [Romans 6:9], and is "alive for evermore" [Revelation 1:18].] is God's, “I will ...”, His Promise; more on this in detail later, as needed. The 'old covenant' is not the same as God's 'my covenant', which we establish by Faith [Romans 3:31 KJB]. They are two things, not one. God's Ten Commandments are all perfect promises, without fault.]

    The "New" Covenant was 'ratified' by the blood of Christ Jesus, who fulfilled His vows, His side of the covenant.

    Psa_116:14 I will pay my vows unto the LORD now in the presence of all his people.
    Psa_116:18 I will pay my vows unto the LORD now in the presence of all his people,

    It was 'ratified' by the Father after Christ Jesus ascended the first time, and accepted the Selfless Sacrifice of the Son.
     
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