Ludicrous, you described life support to the letter. I don't consider a person on life support as being alive. If pulling the plug means this person will cease to exist then I believe the ghost has already left the body and is with the Lord.
Sorry to hear about your brother. I know those are tough times to deal with. In the womb one can't support ones self or exist as a living soul.
Like your above example of life support, that which is in the womb is connected to something that is providing what you call life. It is not existing of itself, it is dependant on something to exist.
When Does Life Begin?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Crabtownboy, May 17, 2008.
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When does life begin
Poll closed Jul 16, 2008.
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At conception
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When blood is formed in the developing fetus
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At birth
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Other -- explain
7 vote(s)12.7%
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Life begins when God says it does.
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An unborn is dependant upon it's mother in the womb no different than it is outside of the womb. In the womb it breaths on its own, it is not force feed air. In the womb the child's heart beats on it's own and does not need any assistance from the mother. In the womb the freely moves, feels pain (and avoids it) without any assistance from the mother. It grows without being forcably made to do so, and responds to stimuli without assistance.
The anaolgy of it being on life-support (as in unable to respond or move with no disernable mind or mental functionality) is completely incorrect. -
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I might be old fashion is this, but I believe that at the moment of conception God begins the weaving process (Ps 139:13, 15). -
However, as I said the baby is self sufficient in growing, moving, and responding. But just as a baby, child, or aged person they do need assistance of another to care for them till they are thoroughly self-sufficient for all their needs. So again the analogy of life-support is incorrect on many levels. -
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But it does bring up an interesting question. Many of us, including me, would no longer be alive if it were not for modern medicine. Do we, using modern medicine, interfere with God's natural order in the length of our life by using modern medicine. But that is a topci for another thread.
I found the information on febal breating very interesting. I had not heard of it before. Having thought about it I find, for myself, that this is not surprising. The unborn moves, sucks the thumb or finger and to make breathing movements makes a lot of logical sense. However it is breathing movement and not breathing in the sense of obtaining oxygen. I found the following and thought it quite interesting.
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I was one of those who voted other.
After reading what little there is in scripture about just when the moment of life begins, I have a rather different idea than what has been presented. What has been presented is well and good in and of itself, but these are all arguements that could be used against birth control as well as abortion. But it seems that no one here is actually suggesting such. If life truely begins when sperm meets egg then most birth controls would meet the definition of "aborticants" because one of the ways birth control works is by preventing those two cells, now joined and called a zygote, from implanting in the mother's womb.
My view doesn't suffer from that contradiction. The Scripture speaks of life being "held" in two places. "The life is in the blood" (Gen 9:4) and "breath of life" (Gen 2:7, 6:17, etc). The very first time a "zygote" can be said to have either of these is upon implantation in the mother's womb. (basic science meets scripture) In the meantime (ie the time between fertlization and implantation) what you have is potential life. The zygote might implant and then again it might not. After implantation the zygote begins to share both the blood and the breath of the mother and therefore meets the definition of life in both a scientific way and a scriptural way.
You know, I believe the Bible presents us with many, many pictures of rebirth, but I believe birth is one of the very best. I believe conception shows the drawing of God on man's heart. The potential for a Christian is there, but he's not one yet. But then all of a sudden there is the sudden spark of realization that one is in dire need help. This is the passage of the zygote from the fallopian tube to womb. But still, there is only potential. This is where choice comes in. If man wills it, God will plant him within God's own family, much as the zygote plants itself in the mother's womb. Once there a spectacular life as a Christian can begin and unlike the imminent dangers to the now developing baby, nothing can "abort" us from God's kingdom. (random thought's brought on by this thread)
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Life begins at conception.
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