When is/was/will the 1st seal be opened?

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  1. dad2 Active Member

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    Well, it means, as far as I knew, that to be saved we do not need any Jewish rituals or anything else. That does not mean Jews vanished or did not do things Jewish themselves any more. In the family of God there are all kinds. Jews, Greeks, etc etc. The church was set up because the Jews failed by rejecting Jesus. One day God will save all of Israel, and a remnant will be saved.
     
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    But you move everything into the future adding to Revelation. Things began before and continued as John was writing. But you look for his symbols to appear instead of what they depict and miss the entire message. Study God's four sore judgments in the OT. That is what the seals, trumpets, and bowls (vials) are about. They are the same events in our history but from different views. Some yet to happen.
     
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    Circumcision made one a Jew. It's a religion. They are gentiles today parading themselves about thinking they are Biblical Israel. They are not. The Church is.
     
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    Don't over estimate Jesuits. The bible is full of prophesy about the end time. The Jesuits have nothing to do with it. People reading Revelation need to understand what they are reading or it is hidden from them. They do not know what they are reading. God used very many allusions to and references to passages in the old testament in that amazing last book of the bible.Unless one knows the rest of Scripture, they will be lost when it comes to Revelation. There is no possibility that the events of the very end were able to happen in the early years of the church. Only after certain things started to happen would those final things happen. So when looking at all the things in Revelation, the word shortly must be taken in context.
     
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    You need to study the evidence against them. They are the ones who inserted a gap of 1000's of years into Daniel's 70 weeks. It turned Jesus into Antichrist! Don't spout off without some serious study. They want to deceive you and have done so to most of Evangelicalism.
     
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    Oh? Sounds like fun. let's do that then. Let's look at the bottomless pit that opened and the hundreds of millions of weird creatures that came out of it and attacked men for a certain number of days! Wait, that never happened yet. Let's look at the mark of the beast people needed for centuries now to be able to buy or sell anything under penalty of death. Wait, never happened! Let's look at the angel flying in the sir preaching the everlasting gospel. Nope, never happened. Let's look at the earthquake that moved all continents out of their place and levelled all towers and mountains. No. Never happened. The list is long of such end time things that show us your story is not of God.
     
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    No; DESCENT FROM JUDAH, BENJAMIN, OR LEVI makes one a Jew.



    What does a Jew call an uncircumcised Jewish baby? A girl!

    Sammy Davis Jr. practicd Judaism, but wasn't a Jew. Zola levitt is a Jew, but doesn't practice Judaism. The Jews are a PEOPLE, not a religion.
     
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    You are looking for the symbols instead of what they depict. You cannot see the demons in front of you. Red dragons? Green horses? A drunk might see them but you never will unless you hit your head.
     
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    Still sounds less than clear.
    Right. God allows the punk to have a field day and throw his best punches before clobbering him.

    Right. Point being that He was not praying that forever. He said we would be where He is in the place He prepared.

    Unless they were on the ark, they would be killed.

    Except the whole Neppie thing is bogus.

    Men are gathered to that place. Not neppies or aliens or cats...etc.


    Can you produce a Neppie for us? Maybe a picture and address? That should be curious. :) Sorry, no such thing.

    When is that gathering? If it is at the end of the world, then it is long after any Rapture. People are still growing and living together in the Tribulation, so the harvest is not then. When they are separated in the end, that is judgment time. If you look at the various times of judgments, such as the judgment of nations, the great white throne judgment it becomes clear you need to know when the wheat get separated from the chaff. You can't conflate it all together.

    Maybe if some demon or bad person claimed they were a Neppie it might spook some poor unbeliever. Not too bright those guys.

    The only ones who ever get transported and fly up in the air to get new bodies are believers. Not Neppies. Not the wicked..etc.


    Not sure what all that was about. Hopefully you don't thing there were virgins having babies.
     
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    part 2 of reply--


    Maybe one about the tooth fairy too?

    Unless you can produce at least a single one of these Neppies, sorry, they might as well be Leprechauns.

    Today, for your information is not Gen 6. Even if some sons of angels used to exist before the flood, so what?

    In fact it is before the flood. A lot changed since then. No Neppies anywhere these days. Do a random check in a movie theatre or organize a police road side Neppie check. You'll see.


    You got a little confused. Satan is not on earth at that time. There will be sin though, even in that perfect environment.


    Hope that if you paid for that story you can get a refund. There is no mention of Neppies there at all, you inserted it.
    There could be many reasons for that. One reason might be that humans could not leave remains in the time before the flood, and even shortly after it because nature was not the same in that time as it is now. We can guess all we like. Having a site with no remains yet found does not mean it was crawling with Neppies!


    Yes numbers are significant, but we should not read too much into them when we have plenty of clear prophesies to go on. I plan to spend eternity in heaven. Visits to earth to help rule with Jesus, will be like excursions as far as I am concerned. So some seven year period after Jesus takes over the world has no real meaning to me.

    I prefer to try to solve mysteries I did not invent.

    Why get bogged down on things about a future temple that don't really matter all that much to us?

    The building on the mount is not the abomination of desolation. If Israel sets up a temple there it will be an abomination as well. Sacrificing animals showing Jesus will come one day is an abomination and blasphemy.
     
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    The abomination of desolation mentioned by Daniel happened in the 160s BC when the Seleucid ruler, Antiochus Epiphanes, entered the temple, set up a statue of Zeus in it, & sacrificed a pig upon the altar. Thus, a similar event will occur in the future.
     
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    Using His word to place prophesy in perspective is anything BUT adding to it. You cannot wave symbols away as unreal. A symbol is at least as real as what it symbolizes! Usually in Revelation it also tells us when it is something of a symbol. It says things such as 'and I saw something LIKE unto a..' Just because the man who rules by Satan in the end is called a beast does not mean he is an animal roaring into a microphone. It means that his heart is evil and he is a destroyer etc. Nothing about calling him a beast takes away from the reality of the man.
     
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    Circumcision was an outward sign one was chosen. Loving God and believing Him made them chosen.
     
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    Nothing about calling Satan by other names that describe him makes him unreal.
     
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    No it did not. Count off 1260 days from that time. Did the world end?
     
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    The event WILL occur. Remember, Jesus said "WHEN you see...", showing it was future. It didn't occur again in the old temple before it was destroyed.
     
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    sure ...

    I appreciate the opportunity to discuss. y'all have a merry Christmas .... 3 months late. Adios.
     
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    I believe there was more than one abomination in the reference. This one you cite ... and then with a larger scope of time, I believe the dome of the rock's construction is another which spans centuries ... and is a point about which to KNOW "what time it is" with something a bit more specific than "soon."
     
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    Exactly. Daniel's abomination of desolation is future. Not in 70AD or 610ad or whatever nonsense.
     
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    Cheers. Keep us posted on any Neppie sightings eh?