Can a Christian be too pro-Israel? What support should we give Palestinian Christians?
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When Theology Is So Pro-Israel That It Becomes Anti-Christian
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Wow, I have never seen a more biased article lacking many many facts.
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Please point them out. The article rings quite true as to what I was told by Palestinian Christians who were at the seminary in Prague.
Zaac
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I have always thought this to be a very relevant issue in what's going on in Israel that many have ignored.
And like race relations in the United States, the folks on either side are not willing to listen to the other side.
In recent history the area called Palestine includes the territories of present day Israel and Jordan (see map above. For earlier history of the term see article). From 1517 to 1917 most of this area remained under the rule of the Ottoman Empire.
Ottoman Empire was dissolved at the end of World War I. Its successor, modern republic of Turkey, transferred Palestine to British Empire control under the Lausanne agreement that followed WW I.
In 1917 Great Britain issued the Balfour Declaration for "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people". In 1922 Britain allocated nearly 80% of Palestine to Transjordan. Thus, Jordan covers the majority of the land of Palestine under British Mandate. Jordan also includes the majority of the Arabs who lived there. In other words, Jordan is the Arab portion of Palestine.
The residents of Palestine are called "Palestinians". Since Palestine includes both modern day Israel and Jordan both Arab and Jewish residents of this area were referred to as "Palestinians".
It was only after the Jews re-inhabited their historic homeland of Judea and Samaria, that the myth of an Arab Palestinian nation was created and marketed worldwide. Jews come from Judea, not Palestinians. There is no language known as Palestinian, or any Palestinian culture distinct from that of all the Arabs in the area. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. "Palestinians" are Arabs indistinguishable from Arabs throughout the Middle East. The great majority of Arabs in greater Palestine and Israel share the same culture, language and religion.
Much of the Arab population in this area actually migrated into Israel and Judea and Samaria from the surrounding Arab countries in the past 100 years. The rebirth of Israel was accompanied by economic prosperity for the region. Arabs migrated to this area to find employment and enjoy the higher standard of living. In documents not more than hundred years, the area is described as a scarcely populated region. Jews by far were the majority in Jerusalem over the small Arab minority. Until the Oslo agreement the major source of income for Arab residents was employment in the Israeli sector. To this day, many Arabs try to migrate into Israel with various deceptions to become a citizen of Israel.
http://www.science.co.il/History-Palestine.php
Ottoman Empire was dissolved at the end of World War I. Its successor, modern republic of Turkey, transferred Palestine to British Empire control under the Lausanne agreement that followed WW I.
In 1917 Great Britain issued the Balfour Declaration for "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people". In 1922 Britain allocated nearly 80% of Palestine to Transjordan. Thus, Jordan covers the majority of the land of Palestine under British Mandate. Jordan also includes the majority of the Arabs who lived there. In other words, Jordan is the Arab portion of Palestine.
The residents of Palestine are called "Palestinians". Since Palestine includes both modern day Israel and Jordan both Arab and Jewish residents of this area were referred to as "Palestinians".
It was only after the Jews re-inhabited their historic homeland of Judea and Samaria, that the myth of an Arab Palestinian nation was created and marketed worldwide. Jews come from Judea, not Palestinians. There is no language known as Palestinian, or any Palestinian culture distinct from that of all the Arabs in the area. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. "Palestinians" are Arabs indistinguishable from Arabs throughout the Middle East. The great majority of Arabs in greater Palestine and Israel share the same culture, language and religion.
Much of the Arab population in this area actually migrated into Israel and Judea and Samaria from the surrounding Arab countries in the past 100 years. The rebirth of Israel was accompanied by economic prosperity for the region. Arabs migrated to this area to find employment and enjoy the higher standard of living. In documents not more than hundred years, the area is described as a scarcely populated region. Jews by far were the majority in Jerusalem over the small Arab minority. Until the Oslo agreement the major source of income for Arab residents was employment in the Israeli sector. To this day, many Arabs try to migrate into Israel with various deceptions to become a citizen of Israel.
http://www.science.co.il/History-Palestine.php
Zaac
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What does this have to do with the fact that there are STILL Christians there and we are by default supporting actions against them too?
RevM is simply trying to derail the thread. I bet he has never met a Palestinian Christian. I know he would not like to hear them tell how they are treated by Israel and especially those Palestinian Christians who live in Israel. It is not a pretty picture how they are treated.
The seeming indifference to Palestinian "Christians" probably arises from the fact that few are of the Evangelical persuasion. Most are either Roman Catholic or one of the various Eastern Orthodox groupings. The US pro-Israel folks are based in Evangelical/Fundamental Christianity.
poncho
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According to the Rev punishing the whole population, destroying their infrastructure and cutting off aid is justified because a few fired rockets into Israel.
Yeah we're exceptional and they aren't so their lives are inconsequential. Go Team Jesus!
Yeah we're exceptional and they aren't so their lives are inconsequential. Go Team Jesus!
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You may be right, I am not sure of the breakdown. The ones I me were all Baptist ... and their stories were not easy to hear.
Here is an example, a small one, but still a sample.
Israeli Jewish Zionist terrorist Vandals scrawl anti-Christian graffiti on Palestinian Baptist church in occupied Jerusalem.
The words “price tag” were also scrawled on the church property. It’s a reference to a practice of Jewish Zionist extremists who lash out against Palestinian civilians and their holy sites.Other graffiti included “we will crucify you” and curses for Jesus & the virgin Mary and “death for Christianity”.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/palestinian-christians-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%AD%D9%8A%D9%8A%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D9%84%D8%B3%D8%B7%D9%8A%D9%86%D9%8A%D9%8A%D9%86/israeli-jewish-zionist-terrorist-vandals-scrawl-anti-christian-graffiti-on-pales/314034711979734
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The Christians have the same agenda as the Muslims. They are as anti Israel as anyone. The so called actions taken by Israel against the Christians is because they all live among the very terrorists that continue to kill Israelis. If they want to be free from the consequences they need to move and stop supporting terrorists. Just because they are Christians does not free them from the responsibility of their actions and who they support. Fact is that Christians in the area are being used to gain sympathy. They are a tool of propaganda. They are being used as a tool to gain sympathy from the Christian community. They need to move or get rid of the terrorists. Can't have it both way.
Oh and the post I made is very much relevant. They history shows the claims by the so called Palestinians to the land is false.
Oh and the post I made is very much relevant. They history shows the claims by the so called Palestinians to the land is false.
poncho
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There ya have it. That justifies killing people by the thousands. We won't talk about Israel closing the borders and not letting them leave.
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Proof please.
It is shameful for a Christian, and one who claims to be a minster of Jesus Christ to justify the mistreatment and killing of other Christians. Shame, shame, shame! You really have no idea what you are talking about ... just backed into another indefensible corner and making wild, untrue, unsubstantiated claims. Shame!!!
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Uh no one has justified any mistreatment. More dishonesty from you. Apparently you have gotten your said angry again.
poncho
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IMHO, "It is shameful for a Christian, and one who claims to be a minster of Jesus Christ to justify the mistreatment and killing of" . . . anyone.
You have tried to justify their mistreatment by not defending their right to worship and to be treated as well as people of the Jewish faith in Israel.
Your entry justified their being killed. You can try to weasel out of it, but it is there for all to see.
Why wouldn't any Christian not be disturbed and angry when a person who says they are a Christian minister tries to justify the harming and killing of other Christians.
This shows you have no idea what you are talking about. How many Palestinian Christians have you ever spoken with?
Again this shows your ignorance. All of the Palestinian Christians who were students at the seminary in Prague lived in Israel. They are Israeli citizens and under the law of Israel second class citizens ... rather like apartheid in South Africa.
You really should be ashamed of such ignorance.
You support the killing of terrorists and lump, incorrectly, Palestinian Christians with the terrorists ... thus you are supporting the killing of Christians.
Shame on you!
Actually what I said is there are other options for them. And you are right my words are there for all to see. As are yours.
My mistake was taking your bait once again. We all know you are not interested in discussions.
Do you stand by your statement that all Palestinian Christians are aligned with the terrorists?
How many Palestinian Christians have you met?
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Your mistake was taking a stance from extreme ignorance, of making gross over-generalized statement, of showing no love for others, much less other Christians, spouting indefensible nonsense and ending up supporting the killing of Christians. Shame on you!
The problems for the Evangelical segment of Palestinian Christians I think arisess from their being lumped in with the non-Evangelicals. I would tend to think the non-Evangelicals are as anti-Semitic as the western based pre-John Paul II RCC was.