Indeed - that counter would exactly match the number of times it was posted without a reply to the case it makes against Calvinism - this time included as well.
This post Shows the expected response from God by applying the Calvinist principles.
Notice that I DID provide a pro-Calvinist quote IN this instance ON this thread showing each of the points I make in my scenario AND more.
Still - dead silence in defense of the problem this poses for Calvinism. No attempt to extricate Calvinism from the callous view it presents.
Your supposed counterpoint does not address the point made against the Calvinist position. You simply hope to find that the Arminian view might ALSO have its own difficulty in this same scenario.
That is not a defense of Calvinism's problem - it simply seeks to shift the focus.
THis has already been attempted - and the Arminian principles have been shown to hold up EVEN under this scenario - in previous responses as will be re-posted in this response.
So going ahead with your new "Point" (not counterpoint) - we have..
Here is the response to that - already posted when it was raised last time.
HERE is the response expected from God as predicted by applying the Arminian principles.
When these are in hell, does God still love them?
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Originally posted by BobRyan:
Your supposed counterpoint does not address the point made against the Calvinist position. You simply hope to find that the Arminian view might ALSO have its own difficulty in this same scenario.Click to expand... -
Neither does your scenario have any merit as a defense of the Arminian view. So what's the point of repeating it ad nauseum?Click to expand...
And as far as saying no one has dealt with the issue, Bob - we have given answers, you just haven't been listening. And, for that matter, your supposed defense of the Arminian position is just that - supposed.
Rev. G -
So, let me ask again - Anybody want to deal with these verses?
Psalm 5:5 - The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity.
Psalm 11:5 - The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, And the one who loves violence His soul hates. -
Originally posted by BobRyan:
Your supposed counterpoint does not address the point made against the Calvinist position. You simply hope to find that the Arminian view might ALSO have its own difficulty in this same scenario.npetreley
Neither does your scenario have any merit as a defense of the Arminian view. So what's the point of repeating it ad nauseum?Click to expand...
#1. you have to pretend that you are not following the point.
#2. I DID respond to the shift in focus that was presented when the scenario was used to try and discover a weakness in the Arminian POV - that has not been done in response/defense of the Calvinist position - and REMAINS unnanswered in that regard.
#3 I did - Both. I responsed to the supposed Arminian scenario AND I showed that the Calvinists on this thread are STILL not responding to the devastating implications shown for Calvinism in the first scenario of Calvinism posted repeatedly and having still - yet to find a response.
So why is this continued response in the form of pretending you do not see the lack of counterpoint for that scenario of Calvinism?
Do you really think that by complaining that it was even exposed - you have replaced the need to respond to it??
Any objective Calvinist reading that sequence and following the point with lack of counterpoint - should find it "instructive" to say the least.
Now here is a thread with the salient points of that scenario as its subject and STILL no response??
Hello!
In Christ,
BobClick to expand...Click to expand... -
Rev G - wants us to focus on the following.
Psalm 5:5 - The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity.
Psalm 11:5 - The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, And the one who loves violence His soul hates.Click to expand...
Romans 3:10-12
10 as it is written, "" THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD;
12 ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE.''
13 "" THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN GRAVE, WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY KEEP DECEIVING,'' "" THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS'';Click to expand...
IN Paul's murderous activities against the saints - as Saul - according to your claims for the Psalms above - are you claiming that God hated Saul?
IS it possible that scripture shows God to "LOVE the World" but HATE rebellion and Sin EVEN the rebellion and sin of the saints?
Just exactly how were you planning to edit those texts?
Or MAYBE this IS your response to that Calvinist scenario??!! God turns to you in your anguish over your suffering precious little daughter and says "Well you know - I simply hate a lot of you and she happens to be one of those in that category".
(Not that you would explicitly notice the connection between Calvinist principles teaching/doctrine/belief to that scenario or anything).
In Christ,
Bob
[ November 23, 2002, 04:46 PM: Message edited by: BobRyan ]
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