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Where is the Bible?

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Harold Garvey, Sep 28, 2009.

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  1. Harold Garvey

    Harold Garvey New Member

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    Are those "bibles" inspired? According to some, if they are a translation they have lost inspiration.

    I believe you understood my question, it's just you are dodging it.
     
    #21 Harold Garvey, Sep 29, 2009
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    Who are these "some" you keep referring to on this board? You're the only person claiming that translations aren't inspired.
     
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  3. Harold Garvey

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    OK, but how is it you believe something to be perfect when you have nothing to hold in your hand? faith? Might I add to your faith that we have the inspired word of God today and you can hold it in your hands?

    But wouldn't it matter if the originals were found to be somewhat different than many of the MSS/ "fragments"?

    So then I would have to conclude by your estimation that God's "breathing" is bottled up in translations?

    Um, I can't agree with you 100%

    OK, so how is it you know this as truth? You say this can't be done. How is it you know what the Greek says in your English comprehension then?

    I just applied "logic" to your words and cannot see it your way, logically even.
     
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  4. Harold Garvey

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    Why does anyone "HAVE" to worship the material when our God is not material, but Spirit?

    Can't the self-same Spirit maintain inspiration in a translation, especially since God has not died?:sleep:
     
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    I have never "pounced" on you or anyone else, hope you're not referring to me.
     
    #25 Harold Garvey, Sep 29, 2009
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    No thanks. the Bible came by inspiration from God as men interpreted what the Spirit said.

    I'm just not into this dislocation of my brain from my mind sort of thingy.

    Um, I cannot agree with you on this one. Once the Spirit began to speak the Bible, or only the part thereof, began to exist.

    As I stated previously, once the Spirit began to speak/breath/move upon men's hearts the Bible began.

    OK, when did God become inable to preserve inspiration of His word?
     
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    Inspired, is inspired, isn't inspired?

    Um, wasn't His creation perfect and did God "redo" it? And then why is God going to redo it?

    I asked where is the Bible and when it lost inspiration. The remarks I see all leave God to some sort of disadvantage. This is done by secular, idyllic and humanistic reasonings. You cannot dictate to God. He is able to do exceedingly abundant above all we ask or think. He said so. His word is inspired in that He said it was so.:sleep:
     
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    Who are these "some" you keep referring to on this board? You're the only person claiming that translations aren't inspired.
    Are you implying that God promised to preserve a specific original manuscript? If so, where does God promise this?
     
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  9. Harold Garvey

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    How is it you know something I "know" that I don't know for myself?
    Show me the quote, sir, or are you going to continue to espouse this lie of yours?

    I have read a few times where some in here claim no translation is inpired and I am too lazy to do your homework for you.:sleep:
     
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    Idyllic secular and humanistic reasoning hampers faith and you will forver be at the mercy of them until you learn to live by faith.:sleep:
     
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    Finally, after hundreds of posts, an accurate statement from Harold Garvey.
     
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    #32 Harold Garvey, Sep 29, 2009
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    What, exactly, is it with the statement that you take issue with? Is it your assertion that translations are inspired in the same manner as the source text from which they came?
     
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    If you're going to quote me please include all my words. I don't speak in morse code (...) But I do see often how you dishonestly represent what people have said, so I won't hold my breath.
     
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    If "no translation is inspired" then when man first began to hear God speak and then translated it into human vernacular, according to the post, immediately the word of God became totally uninspired.:type:
     
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    Is it your position, therefore, that translations are inspired?
     
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    I believe the eternal Godhead has eternal breathing capabilities. Do you?
     
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    The question wasn't if it is your position that God can inspire. The question was if it is your position that translations are inspired?
     
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    Where is your Bible, and how can you be sure it is the right one?

    What do you know about the Peshitta, the Itala, and even Jerome's Vulgate?
    Were or are they the Word of God? Are they inspired? Why or why not?
    The Peshitta and Itala are both second and third century translations of the Bible, some of the oldest Bibles that we have access to today. However, they are still translations.

    Inspiration took place only once. God used the prophets and the apostles to pen the words that he told them to write. The fact that we don't have those manuscripts today is irrelevant. He inspired those documents, from those apostles, at one time, in one place in history. They were not inspired over and over and over again. They were inspired once and only once. It was the original copies that were inspired under the direction of the Holy Spirit, God using the prophets and the apostles as his writers.

    He did not inspire the copyists that copied them for the first few centuries.
    He did not inspire any of the translators that translated them into the many different languages. BTW, that includes the translation of the Septuagint, the first translation of the OT into Greek. It is not an inspired book. It is simply a translation of the Hebrew OT. No translation is inspired. Only the originals are, and can be, inspired.

    He did not inspire the KJV translators. They are not "the holy men of God," referred to in 2Pet.1:21. If so, please demonstrate how Peter could have been speaking of the KJV translators. Inspiration only took place once. It was applicable only to the prophets and the apostles.

    2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

    If you lived in India and only spoke Hindi would you be askng the same question: "Where is your Bible?"
    If you lived in China and only spoke Mandarin (the language that is spoken by more people than any other language in the world), would you still ask the same question: "Where is your Bible?" If God were to justly inspire any one translation, out of his justice he must give the world a Mandarin Bible, not an English Bible, because more people in the world speak Mandarin than English. English only ranks second as the most popular language spoken. I guess that puts you in a minority :)

    However God chose to preserve his word. He preserves it in Hebrew and Greek MSS. I have no problem saying that we have the Word of God today. I have no problem lifting up my Bible and telling my people that this is the Word of God. It is a translation. Translations are not inspired. Translations have mistakes; they lose meaning from one translation (Greek) to another. (There is no such thing as a unicorn for example). But His Word is preserved. It is preserved so accurately that one might say it is as if it were inspired.
     
    #39 DHK, Sep 29, 2009
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    You have completely missed the boat, Harold.

    The ispiration is in God's words, not a book in your hand. Every translation contains God's inspiration, but none of them are a second work of inspiration.

    How is that so hard to understand?
     
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