Who Draws Men Unto the Son?

I agree.

Paul, an apostle -- not from men, nor through man, but through Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who did raise him out of the dead -- Gal 1:1 YLT
Romans 8:11 YLT and if the Spirit of Him who did raise up Jesus out of the dead doth dwell in you, He who did raise up the Christ out of the dead shall quicken also your dying bodies, through His Spirit dwelling in you.

Is that not, The Father lifting up the Son ?

 

They receive it by Faith. Thats why forgiveness of sins is preached Acts 13:38

Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

God given Faith receives the knowledge of it, its communicated to the mind and heart of the redeemed, forgiven sinner.

 

They receive it by grace.
Faith is what is given so that they will believe what God has graciously done.

This gives God all the glory and throws all word of faith, name it and claim it rubbish upon the garbage heap of heresy.

 

The unbelieving redeemed aren't condemned. They have been redeemed from the curse of the law Gal 3:13, and sooner or later they are born again and are given faith and repentance. Faith and Repentance are fruits of the drawing.

 

They receive it by Faith, Faith is by Grace !

 

So they are not redeemed nor saved until God the Father leads them to believe in His Son to receive that redemption.

 

The unbelievers are no longer condemned until they are born again of the Spirit. Redemption has been provided for all sinners but redemption is not received until they believe in His Son, thanks to the Father for drawing them unto the Son to reveal His Son so they can believe in Him & be saved as our belief comes from God the Father by the grace of God.

 

Ephesians 2:8-9

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

 

Ephesians 2:8-9

Gift of God = [Grace ... begets Faith ... begets Saved] = saved BY grace THROUGH faith

saved BY grace THROUGH faith = (eternal life) BY (unearned favor) THROUGH (evidence of things not seen)

 

Isn't redeemed by grace through faith the same thing? If not, how can they be redeemed by grace until through faith?

 

The exact wording of the verse is ... [Ephesians 2:8 KJV] 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

First a brief comment on Greek Grammar: The "gift" is the whole thing "by grace are ye saved through faith" and not just any one part of it (a Greek masculine/feminine/neuter word tense thing).

So looking at the grammar of the phrase "by grace are ye saved through faith"

SUBJECT = ye (you)
VERB = are saved

Simple Sentence = You are saved.

PREPOSITIONAL PHRASE = by grace (adverb modifying saved)
PREPOSITIONAL PHRASE = through faith (adverb modifying saved)

Grace = "unmerited favor"
Faith = "belief"

Since all of it is a gift from God and "grace and faith" are how one is saved, can one be given "belief" before they have been shown "unmerited favor"? Is the gift of faith not in itself an act of unmerited favor already? Therefore we are saved first by the power of God's unmerited favor (grace) and second through the means of God's gift of belief (faith).

Hence: Grace gives Faith which Saves (all the Gift of God).

 

Since God gives our faith by the grace of God, is why our believing in Him is not from us but from God thus by grace. But His words cites our believing in Him is when we are saved by the grace of God. Unbelievers remain unsaved till God enables them to believe in Him to be saved.

 

So you sound uninformed.

 

[QUOTE="Hark, post: 2679665, member: 12240"]The unbelievers are no longer condemned until they are born again of the Spirit. Redemption has been provided for all sinners but redemption is not received until they believe in His Son, thanks to the Father for drawing them unto the Son to reveal His Son so they can believe in Him & be saved as our belief comes from God the Father by the grace of God.[/QUOTE]

I dont understand you, sounds confusing. Christs Blood/Death redeems, nothing else.

 

I like that passage.

 

You seem to be teaching partial atonement. In your teaching, Jesus blood is shed and touches all humanity, but it doesn't pay for their iniquity until the human invokes the blood to be activated by choosing to believe.
That, by the way, is not salvation by grace. Instead, it is salvation by works.

Hebrews 9:11-28 shows that anything the blood touches is effectually cleansed upon contact. There is no waiting until a person believes before the power of the blood is invoked.

But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God. Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant. For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established. For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive. Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood. For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you.” And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and all the vessels used in worship. Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

Notice that the blood falls on many, not on all. Those for whom Jesus shed his blood have been purified by his blood "once and for all."

So, salvation is given to those God chooses, not to those who think they can pick God at their convenience. When God reveals His redemption to the sinner, their life is changed forever.

 

If I am uninformed, then it is because of lack of scripture which does not seem to be any as applied rightly without going against other scripture.

How is that foundation laid by Jesus Christ? How does that seal of adoption comes?

What is the state of the sinner before that foundation is laid & before that seal comes?

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. KJV

So how can sinners be redeemed until they are redeemed and thus saved by believing in Him?

Yes, redemption has been provided to save all but until God enables us to believe in Him in order to receive that redemption, they are not redeemed until by the grace of God through faith & not before.

 

Then ask yourself... are unbelievers saved? Are you advocating for universalism? Then clarity is needed, right?

So how is this free gift of eternal life received? By believing in Jesus Christ which was done by the grace of God by the Father drawing us unto the Son ( John 6:44 ) to reveal His Son to us ( Matthew 11:25-27 ) for which no man can boast when our believing is a work of God too.

God hides the truth of His Son from wise & prudent & hides it from those that prefer their evil deeds rather than come to the Light to be reproved for why those who do not believe in Him are condemned already for not believing in the name of Jesus Christ.

Therefore the unbelievers did not receive the redemption provided for sinners. The unbelievers are not redeemed

 

It is not the human that saves himself when God the Father draws them unto the Son to reveal His Son to them so in effect, our believing in Him is a work of God too; hence by the grace of God we are saved through faith.

It is not partial atonement but recognizing why sinners are not redeemed because they do not believe in Him per John 3:18 thus we need to recognize also that our believing in Him is a work of God the Father thus by the grace of God thru faith in Jesus Christ.

 

Sinners do not believe because they cannot believe, apart from the quickening of the Holy Spirit and the God given gift of faith.

Therefore the shed blood is only upon the one God chooses to quicken.