Featured Who Holds To Covenant theology here?

O Palmer Robertson has a great book on Covenants although its Presb and must be read through a lens

 

I know it sounds problematic, especially to Dispensationalists. However, it does not teach a works-based salvation. That is what Dispensationalists jump on without evening knowing what the Covenant of Works is.

The Covenant of Works is a term used to describe God's covenant with man, pre-fall.

 

Most Baptists believe that.

 

Most Baptists do not believe in a pre-fall Covenant of Works and a Covenant of Redemption (Grace). They affirm the Noahic Covenant, Abrahamic Covenant, Sinaitic Covenant, Old Covenant, Davidic Covenant, and the New Covenant. Since most Baptists are Dispensational, their view of the covenants is subservient to Dispensationalism.

 

Even dispensationalism is a loaded term. That really doesn't tell you anything about what that person actually believes.

 

David, there are some basic beliefs that most Dispensationalists agree on. Most see a separation between Israel and the Church. Most hold to a pre-wrath view of eschatology and a literal 1000 year millennial kingdom before the final judgment. In between all of that are various levels of Dispensationalism. You have the classic form of Dispensationalism promulgated by Scofield and Chafer. There is the radical Dispensationalist view of John Hagee. There is Progressive Dispensationalism than emanated out of Dallas Theological Seminary. So, Dispensationalists have their own intramural fights which are interesting to watch.

 

Jon, come on now. Are we really to believe that the majority of Baptists are not Dispensational; that they do not believe in a rapture? I think that is obvious to all.

 

They actually have names for this.

Progressive Dispensationalism (if you lean more dispensational) and Progressive Covenantalism (if you lean more CT).

I believe you have to be somewhere in the middle of Dispy and CT in order to actually be biblical and I have stated that for a long time.

 

I refer you to post #24 in this thread. It is not that Dispensationalists do not believe in covenants. They do. But they do not base their theology on covenants; or more accurately, their view of covenants is subservient to their specific brand of Dispensationalism.

The attached diagram provides an overview of Baptist Covenant Theology. I hope it helps in explaining things.




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A major problem I have with CT is that it is adding covenants that are there by inference and not actually listed in Scripture itself. I am fully aware that the same argument can be made for facets of dispensationalism depending on the point you fall in the dispensational spectrum.

 

You do not get out much, do you?

Most Baptist believed in a form of Covenant Theology prior to Fundamentalism came into being in the late 19th and into the early 20th-centuries. Under Scofield and Chafer Dispensationalism spread through Baptist churches in North America like wildfire.

A pre-wrath eschatology is dispensational. Have you ever read Walvrood, Pentecost, or Ryrie? Almost all Baptist or Baptistic seminaries in the United States teach Dispensationalism. They may teach different flavors of it but they remain true to the system's main belief.

I have already made that point. Most Baptists affirm the Old and New Covenants. That is totally different than affirming the Covenant of Works and the Covenant of Redemption.

 

Hey! Our salvation does not depend on either Dispensationalism or Covenant of Theology. I do think it affects our understanding of theology proper and is worthy of debate and discussion but it is an area on which we should extend charity.

 

Well, this is why our paedobaptism brethren are paedobaptists. They believe in the continuity of the Abrahamic Covenant. This view directly impacts their view of the New Covenant. According to paedobaptists, the New Covenant is just a refreshed version of the Abrahamic Covenant. Another way of saying it is that the New Covenant is a new and improved version of the Abrahamic Covenant. That is how they logically connect circumcision and baptism as signs of the covenant. The apply the sign to all of their infants. Baptists have always held to a discontinuity of the Abrahamic Covenant. The New Covenant really is new and it is made not with national Israel but with the people of God through faith.

 

No. A pre-wrath eschatology is a hallmark of the Dispensationalism system. That view is not typically found in Covenant Theology. As far as the Dispensational view of the covenants, see my posts #24, #32, #35, and #37. It is not the same as the covenants under Covenant Theology.