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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by steaver, May 29, 2014.

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  1. Winman

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    I agree, there are hundreds, if not thousands of verses that say no man does good. That is not the same thing as saying he is unable to do good. I have never jumped off a tall building, but I am quite able to do so.
    The scriptures do not say men are not able to keep the law, only that no man has ever kept the law. Two altogether different subjects you seem unable to discern.

    No we don't, God said the son shall not bear the iniquity of his father. (Eze 18:20) That is false doctrine started by the RCC and especially Augustine.

    Jesus kept the law as a man would, by faith in God and obedience to the law.

    Only if you believe God is completely unreasonable and punishes men for eternity because he demands they do something they are unable to do.

    That would be like executing a blind man because he cannot see. Nice belief you have there. :rolleyes:
     
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    God judged all of us sinners in Adam, as we partake with him in the fall, as he was head of humanity, while jesus head of saved humanity!
     
  3. Winman

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    False, scripture says the son shall not bear the iniquity of his father.

    Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

    Someday you will stand before God and answer for teaching false doctrine.
     
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    We are RESPONSE - ABLED...Meaning we are ABLE TO RESPOND

    God holds us RESPONSE-ABLE, so there is no reason to suggest men are not ABLE TO RESPOND
     
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    You are the one misunderstanding the Bible, as that passage does NOT refer to spiritual conditions of man, to sins and salvation, but that God would punish a sinner in this life for his crimes, and will not convict any who was not guilty of same crime!

    IF the father worshiped idols and false gods, might get stoned, but if his son worshipped Yahweh, Son would be spared!
     
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    They can respond, once enabled to do such by the Lord!
     
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    That's 'pop-Christianity' teaching concerning the Bema seat, check out asterisktom, Returning to the Biblical Bema .

    "There is no such thing as the Bema award-judgment, as presented so often today in pulpits, books and web sites of today.

    There is a Bema judgment for each of us individually, Heb. 9:27, but it is quite different from what is so often presented to us in pop-Christianity."

    "How can we expect rewards for our obedience, seeing that even if we obey perfectly in everything we are still only unprofitable servants? (Luke 17:10)

    No, the modern notion of the Bema award-judgment is a concept that is foreign to Scripture."

    Not talking about being 'saved' as you gom up the word, talking about the several aspects of our justification, and 'doing the law', our works, is an integral part of our justification (from Romans alone):

    13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified: Ro 2
    24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Ro 3
    1 Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ;
    9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him. Ro 5
    33 Who shall lay anything to the charge of God`s elect? It is God that justifieth; Ro 8

    But you and Winman, as most others, Cals and non Cals alike, have a tunnel vision lop-sided over emphasis on only one of those.
     
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    We ALL, who have been saved, shall stand before jesus, to have Him tesy our good works done, NOT as to if merit salvation, but if meriting eternal rewards!

    And we are saved by grace of the Cross, received thru faith in him alone, and once saved, then we are to evidence some kind of fruit showing that we are not just professors of salvation...

    can a Sinner be made right with God without any good works, such as the thief on the Cross?

    Did paul in romans state that Abraham was made right with God thru faith in God, or thru "works of his flesh?"
     
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