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Why Calvinism preaches a fraudulent gospel to some of the lost.

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 37818, Oct 21, 2021.

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    37818 Well-Known Member

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    Where is that taught to be part of the gospel? John? Romans? 1 Corinthians? Where? Please quote where the word of God teaches this in the gospel.
     
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    maybe Mark was still in OT times, but Acts in the Church Age. Try again
     
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    what does term Atonement mean to you?
     
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    1 Corinthians 15:3, ". . . that Christ died for our sins . . . ."
     
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    So you hold to soft determinism / compatibilism but that still does not help you as you still have God being the one that determines all things. So you see God as indirectly determining all things, OK then how does that work? Does that mean that man has the ability to make a free will choice? Does that allow man to chose to follow Christ Jesus?
    But you will argue that God does not directly determine what man does so that lets Him of the hook. Not so fast there. Are you saying that the decrees of God are really just suggestions?

    What is compatibilism? The theory of compatibilism is that God’s predetermination of all events that happen in history is compatible — consistent, suitable, appropriate, adaptable, cooperative — with so-called “voluntary” choice. In other words, our choices are not coerced, that is, we do not choose against our desires, and yet we never make choices or decisions contrary to “what God determines will always come to pass (Eph_1:11).” So, God decrees what we will choose, and we will desire the object of our so-called choice. {John Hendryx Search | Monergism}

    John Hendryx makes the case, the Calvinist God is the actual problem, though He is presented as the solution to the problems that He Himself decreed from eternity past, and brings into reality.
    Your Calvinist compatibilism renders God, then, culpable for decreeing all the sin, wickedness, and evil performed among mortals. Compatibilistic Calvinism is determinism, and the theory is a deceptively, deterministic farce: compatibilism is determinism. In a compatibilistic context, God has still decreed whatever occurs in reality; the notion that a person desires to do what he or she does is irrelevant to the fact that, again, in a compatibilistic system, what the person accomplishes (namely, evil) was decreed by God and brought to pass by His irresistible will. Moreover, even the desire of the individual to the enactment of the evil was decreed by God and brought to pass by His irresistible will. In Calvinism, whether compatibilism or hard determinism, God is the problem of evil.
     
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    I asked you to define the term Atonement, here it is:

    "The reconciliation of God and mankind through Jesus Christ." (Oxford English Dictionary)

    If the entire human race has been Atoned for, and they are Reconciled with God, then they are all saved, and this is Universal Salvation, which is heresy!
     
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    Perhaps he does that because that is the way we find it in the bible

    Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
    Rom 10:14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

    Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

    How is it that the bible tells us we have to hear the gospel message and believe before we are sealed/saved. Your Calvinism does not fit with scripture.
     
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    No.
    You had asked,
     
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    There is no need for me to try again. You need to show me how I am wrong in understanding Acts 2.
    You should note that Peter clearly references the covenant and promise in Acts 2 so I suggest you figure out what covenant is all about. You can start with the old testament and then read what Paul shares.
     
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    Romans 8;34, ". . . Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. . . ."
     
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    :Rolleyes
     
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    and what you quoted does not define this!
     
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    I corrected your false statement that Calvinists believe man has no freewill because God is sovereign. Man has no freewill because of their sin nature.

    Your interpretation of my view of God’s sovereignty is that the “only reason” man has a sin nature is not because they rebelled against God but because God just gave it to to them. Additionally, I’m destroying God’s character.

    I don’t think you understand what reformed believers actually believe, so you can only make non-sensical accusations.

    Quite frankly, I have no desire to debate nonsense.

    peace to you
     
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    What do you say?
     
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    God is sovereign, he orders all things after His own will and pleasure, and yet we are still personally accountable for our decisions and choices, and God in not author of evil or sin!
     
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    All mankind has chosen to reject God and His Christ.

    I thank God that in His great mercy, He took it upon Himself not to leave us helpless and enslaved to our sin nature, and is bringing His chosen to salvation.

    All glory to God.

    peace to you
     
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    Define what? Again I had answered what you originally asked me. You changed the question.
    And you never answered what I had asked.
     
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    Out of context verses do not help either....
     
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    There is a difference between out of context and from a context like Matthew 4:4 from Deuteronomy 8:3 and many more examples.

    1 Timothy 2:6 in ". . . For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. . . ."
     
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