is more important than what we do? God is a grammarian?
Why do you all think what we think
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by billwald, Sep 17, 2012.
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Thinkingstuff Active Member
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So one can be save dand heaven without eternal rewards, another can be in heavewn with many of them... -
So we who have the fewest brownie points will have to clean the bathrooms?
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Thinkingstuff Active Member
Ask yourself this question in this passage in first Peter
Therefore let us understand terms. When Catholics speak of Merit torwards salvation and participation of salvation we are not talking about any point before what you call "saved by the grace of God" what we think of as an entry point to salvation (initial Justification). If we were to die at that point we would go to heaven if we do not die at that point as long as we remian in him we will obtian heaven. When we speak of merit we mean it like you do when you speak of winning crowns of Glory only a "saved" christian (past tense) can merit salvation's rewards (present continuing sense) which we will experience fully when our salvation is fully revealed at the return of Christ (future tense). So often we speak over each other when you speak of salvation you are only speaking of the entry point as if its the whole thing. But that is just the begining. Not the end. In the Catholic mind. Therefore we do not believe works can save us (bring us to the place of justification) but only Jesus' completed work on the Cross can do that. After that point we can please God by the works that we do. -
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In all the Major aspects of faith I agree with baptist.
We believe in the Trinity
We believe in the Virgin Birth
We believe in Christ redemptive act at Calvary
We believe in Christ actual death on the Cross
We believe in Christs actual resurrection
We believe scriptures are the inspired word of God and Authoritative
We Believe that all those who believe on Jesus will be raised up on the last day
We believe in the return of Jesus Christ
We believe in a final Judgement
We believe in life everlasting for those who believe
Where we differ is on the details of many of these points. I personally didn't come to a personal relationship with Jesus Christ with out Baptist influence on my life. It was through baptist preaching that I asked Jesus to come into my heart. And the majority of my adult life I spent at baptist churches. I have the upmost respect for baptist and have made friends on this site. I disagree with Biblicist many times and at times been frustrated. But I listen to him and all others who put forward their ideas. I would freely eat with him if I met him as well as DHK. So again how have I mocked the baptist faith? Am I not allowed to disagree?
As far as credibility. I don't claim to have any more credibility than anyone else on this site. Certainly I wouldn't consider me a credible proponent of Baptist theological views. However, I hope that I'm considered credible proponent for Catholic views and of course my own. -
If you are dense enough not to pinpoint to time when your statements lost credibility, I will remind you. It is when you said, all Baptists and evangelicals, stop believing false doctrine and return to the one holy catholic church. You are the same as Mormoons and Jehovah Witnesses.
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Was it actually spelled "Mormoons?" Cuz that's kinda hilarious no matter what. That in itself would have made it impossible for me to feel insulted by any words surrounding it.
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Logically, Reformed believers don't know why people are saved
because election is not based on God's foreknowledge. If God doesn't know in advance whom the Holy Spirit will regenerate . . . . -
Thinkingstuff Active Member
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Thinkingstuff Active Member
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Seriously, you have asked why people are allowed to post on the BB who are not of 'like faith and order?' We all know who that eliminates. All Protestants who hold to the validity of sacraments are gone, all Catholics (only a couple allowed here anyway), all Orthodox, all Anglicans.
The reason you believe TS's posts 'have ceased to carry any credibility' is because he left the Baptist church for the Catholic faith which for you is inconceivable and a real burr in your bonnet. You are an anti-Catholic bigot of the highest magnitude and the amount of anti-Catholic lies you continue to post prove it. -
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Like I said before, I will discuss any issue, but when statements like the above are made, it is time for you two to leave. Catholic doctrine gets the exact treatment it deserves.
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