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Why I am not a Calvinist....

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Iconoclast, Feb 27, 2018.

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  1. TCassidy

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    And once again you prove you do not understand the difference between the death of Christ and His Atonement. You continue to conflate the two.
     
  2. Iconoclast

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    I have never heard anyone say such a thing:Sick...what does this even mean...to you?:Redface


     
  3. Iconoclast

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    Hello Reynolds,
    I was just looking at anti cal speakers....everyone of them is bogus
    this clown, adrian rogers, walls, flowers are all pathetic...do you have one you think is good...go ahead and post it.
    This is what I found online.....I am glad you see how foolish this man is...
     
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    There are different aspects of the crucifixion that run from the entry on a donkey that had never been ridden before, to that appearance by the Christ in the upper room.

    The cross was one aspect, the death an aspect, the blood shed from the garden to the tomb an aspect, the resurrection an aspect, and so forth.

    You seem to desire God as being under obligation(s) according to human perspectives and determinations, but He is not. It is obvious that He purposes according to His own design, and such is not to be even questioned by the clay no matter of what that clay is designed.

    It is also true that God is loving in all aspects of His creation. You have the ability to see were others are made incapable, you feel we’re others are numb. God is not impressed with bricks and mortar, with human engineering, nor is He subject to human contrivances and manipulation.

    His Word presents the truth that the blood was shed for all.
    His Word presents that of the all, many will be saved but not all.
    His Word presents that the many are elected prior to even creation.
    His Word presents that the many will both be preserved and persevere..
    His Word presents that all are so desperately wicked that their hearts and minds are blinded through the Spiritual things.
    His Word presents that God chooses those that will be saved.

    Each of those items are basic to Scripture truth. The farther one moves to manipulating them, the more into the land of error one strides.

    What is deplorable is when one argues against such things as the list above, then they are in great danger of being lead into error. This is exactly Wells condition, and it would be wise to not find your own self in such error.
     
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    "And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation" (Mark 16:15)

    Are these words meant to be that the entire human race, except none, should have the Gospel preached to?
     
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    Calvinism is supported by the Bible, but Sda theology rests upon the sinking sand of EW period!
     
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    God has ordained the Gospel message as the means by which the Holy Spirit brings the Elect to new life in Christ, so all are to hear it!
     
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    The gospel is freely offered to all....why would you think otherwise?
     
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    There you have it folks... all scripture that refutes Calvinism is "spam".

    I love the circular logic in that post.
     
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    You are very mistaken to assume that Calvinism, is supported by the teachings of the Holy Bible. Jesus Christ "tasted death for all men", so that the whole of mankind, without exception, has the very possibility of being saved. No human being will end up lost and in hell, because God has not "provided" for their salvation in the Death of the Lord Jesus Christ; but, because sinners will not accept God's Righteous terms for their salvation. Calvinism teaches that only the "elect" will be saved, because these only were included in Christ's death. There is a contradiction between the Holy Bible and Calvinism here.
     
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    "no matter what the Bible says to the contrary"???
     
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    There are always those who would allow human manipulation ability sufficiently capable os swaying the purpose of God.

    Too there are those who would think the offer of salvation is counterfeit unless a person has the power to respond.

    Not realizing all do respond, most like characters found in Scriptures! “What! You think I will be persuaded with such little argument?” “The fool has said in his heart, ‘No, God!”
     
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    None of the scripture you misunderstand refutes anything....your posts are off topic
     
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    I don't. But here is the real problem of Calvinism. The Gospel Message is to be preached to the entire human race, but, by design, the whole human race can never be saved, because Jesus Christ did not make provision for the whole human race when He died. His death is deemed as "particular", for the sins of the "elect" only. How then is there any Good News for the non-elect? are we to tell them, by the way, I have some very Good News for you, Jesus Christ did not "provide" for you in His death and therefore you cannot be saved, and you are damned to eternal hell. You simply cannot have it both ways. The preaching of the Good News to the whole human race, can only be sincere, if God made provision for ALL their sins in the death of Jesus Christ. saying that Jesus' death was "sufficient" for all, is not Scripture, but a Calvinistic cop out!
     
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    yes...here is the response of the natural man....

    14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
     
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    I suggest that Scriptures are not contrary, but how those who do not attend to correct assertions when rendering Scriptures can most certainly can be contrary.

    For example: Nicodemus.
     
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    Either God has ordained a certain salvation for some, his elect, or else God will to save all keeps being jammed up by our free will!
     
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    No, rather its contrary to your misunderstanding of the Bible!
     
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    Are you saying that God cannot have the Gospel Message taken to the elect only, Who He knows will respond and be saved? Why all the sham in telling the whole world that they can, if they want to, be saved, knowing full well that this is nothing but a downright LIE?
     
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    Frankly, I do not know that I have read or heard a sermon that limited the appeal of the gospel to only a select few.

    The Calvinistic thinking have no indication of who the elect are, so all are presented the gospel.
     
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