Why I am not a Calvinist....

I would be very careful to not present the commission God gave as presenting a lie.

Was Moses sent to a God hardened pharaoh with the appeal to let the people go?

Was it all a lie?

 

You are blinded by your "Calvinism" and therefore cannot see or accept that "ordination to salvation" is NOT taught in the Bible. tell me something, IF, as you guys think, that God has ordained only the elect to salvation, then why does He say that "He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that they should repent and turn from their evil ways and live"? Why waste any time on those whom God KNOWS will and can never come to Him, because He has by design chosen to save only the elect?

 

God knows just who will be saved by that message, but none of us know that, so all are given the message.
Those who reject Jesus and the good news are being given their "free will" by God!
Seems that you would like that!

 

God knows all those who are His elect, right? So, why does He not simply take the Gospel Message to these only, that they can be saved? Why tell the WHOLE world about salvation in Jesus Christ, if the WHOLE world can never be saved?

 

Think Paul addresses this in Romans, as he does go into great detail regarding the lost and saved, based upon the Election of God in Christ!

 

You forget that pharaoh also hardened his own heart. God did get His way in the end. No, it is warped Calvinistic theology that presents the Gospel that is to be preached to ALL without exception, as a lie.

 

Show me where in Romans? Chapter 9 theology is much abused by Calvinists!

 

Do you not know that Peter expresses that consistency of the Doctrines of Grace?

1 Peter:

1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen 2according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4to obtain an inheritance which isimperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,5who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
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If you look carefully, you can find at least 4 of the basic 5 points of Calvinistic thinking in just that short passage.

 

Why is it warped, is that because you do not see God has being fair and honest than if done in that way?

 

How about chapter 11, or 8?

 

show me them

 

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Certainly God knows. He knows the hear, that which not even that person will acknowledge out of self preservation God knows.

But witnesses of The Way do not know people’s hearts, and therefore the presentation is indiscriminate.

 

sure, give me chapter and verse. What do you make of Paul's prayer in chapter 10, verse 1? "Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation.". Where he is speaking of his desire to see "them", ALL the Jews of his day, saved. He must have believed that God, in Christ, was "reconciling the world", including ALL of these Jews, to Himself, through the Gospel. ALL does not mean SOME!

 

makes no sense whatsoever! Let me illustrate. I have a 100 jobs, and tell the WHOLE WORLD that ANY can apply for them. Then, when ALL do come for the jobs, I say to them, sorry, I know I said ALL, but I only meant a FEW! This is deception.

 

Ok, here is the opening remarks of 1 Peter, broken down to “show” you.

Depravity of unregenerate
1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who reside as aliens (note: the aliens were believers, no longer citizens of this world)


Election:

, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen 2according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,

Irresistible Grace

by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.


Both election and irresistible grace:
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

preservation and perseverance of the saints:
4to obtain an inheritance which isimperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,5who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

 

Did you not have a criterion for who to select for the jobs?

Such a criterion is not obligated to be published.

 

You serious?

1. Peter was speaking of those Jews who were living in a foreign land which was not their own, as these were considered as "exiles", as the Greek has it.

2. Where does it say here, that these were "chosen" to salvation? I doubt very much if ALL these Peter writes about here, were "the elect" of God. All he is here referring to, is that the Jews had a special relationship with God.

3. The Greek preposition, "εἰς", here translated "to" obey, is also used as "because of", as in Jesus saying that the people of Nineveh repented "εἰς", because of, the preaching of Jonah (Matthew 12:41). also in Acts 2:38, "Peter replied, "Each of you must repent of your sins and turn to God, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for (εἰς, because of) the forgiveness of your sins. Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.". No sinner is saved by water baptism, but because they had truly repented.

4. I agree