Why The Caner Double Standard

[Rippon]

(Deleted by author due to waste of time.) You are in my prayers.

And of course I don't detect any sincerity with that remark of yours. All you mean by that comment is that I am completely wrong. It just sounds so pious to say :"You are in my prayers." You could have simply stated where you think I am in error.

 

[John Toppass]

And of course I don't detect any sincerity with that remark of yours. All you mean by that comment is that I am completely wrong. It just sounds so pious to say :"You are in my prayers." You could have simply stated where you think I am in error.

Maybe I did not state the error because you would not understand what I think the error is. Sometimes we do or say the right things for the wrong reasons and that my friend makes them as wrong as the wrong things for the wrong reasons.

I think that what Caner seemly has done is a black eye to Christians, but I realize there are few options that I have and bashing Mr Caner is not one of them. Some have even bashed others on this thread because they disagree or even do not agree the same way.

I regret that you reject my prayer because I do not show emotion the way you dictate that I should.

This thread has turned into a Caner bashing thread that should not have been allowed to continue.
The fact that this thread has been allowed to continue in this manner is the real double standard.

My prayers are still with you.

 

[gb93433]

I think that what Caner seemly has done is a black eye to Christians, but I realize there are few options that I have and bashing Mr Caner is not one of them.

He has not done that to those who trust God. He has given himself a black eye. It is an opportunity to show how God will deal with each person.

 

[olefundybob]

Fairness in labeling please.

James White has two substandard degrees from Columbia Evangelical Seminary which operates out of a small upstairs office in the little town of Buckley Washington. He needs to confess his deception instead of seeking to find such in others. To say his degrees are substandard is charitable. They required almost no work. :saint:

 

[gb93433]

James White has two substandard degrees from Columbia Evangelical Seminary which operates out of a small upstairs office in the little town of Buckley Washington. He needs to confess his deception instead of seeking to find such in others. To say his degrees are substandard is charitable. They required almost no work. :saint:

Are your statements gossip too?

 

[mcdirector]

James White has two substandard degrees from Columbia Evangelical Seminary which operates out of a small upstairs office in the little town of Buckley Washington. He needs to confess his deception instead of seeking to find such in others. To say his degrees are substandard is charitable. They required almost no work. :saint:

White is not hiding those degrees or the institution. If he said they were from somewhere else and we later found they were from CES. If he said they were in one field and we found out later they were in another, then I'd see the correlation.

 

[TomVols]

James White has two substandard degrees from Columbia Evangelical Seminary which operates out of a small upstairs office in the little town of Buckley Washington. He needs to confess his deception instead of seeking to find such in others. To say his degrees are substandard is charitable. They required almost no work. :saint:

I'm sorry to be so blunt, but do you have any idea of what you are talking about? These degrees require major work, a dissertation, collaterals....the same as other doctoral programs in Britain, South Africa (Where Caner earned one of his), etc. You obviously are prejudiced against Dr. White and are grasping at make-believe straws.

 

[TomVols]

Are your statements gossip too?

There is a difference between gossip and lies - sometimes.

 

[Dale-c]

James White has two substandard degrees from Columbia Evangelical Seminary which operates out of a small upstairs office in the little town of Buckley Washington. He needs to confess his deception instead of seeking to find such in others. To say his degrees are substandard is charitable. They required almost no work.

WHat deception? He says right on his website where he got his degrees, when and what the degrees are.

It has come up in the past that Dr White has an earned, but unaccredited doctorate but he has never claimed otherwise. He also has a masters from Fuller.
Do you think that took know work either?

Come on.

 

[Havensdad]

James White has two substandard degrees from Columbia Evangelical Seminary which operates out of a small upstairs office in the little town of Buckley Washington. He needs to confess his deception instead of seeking to find such in others. To say his degrees are substandard is charitable. They required almost no work. :saint:

What an absolutely ridiculous statement. CES is every bit as rough as other schools...they just are not accredited, and use a British model.

I guess degrees from Cambridge require no work as well? :tonofbricks:

 

[Dale-c]

What an absolutely ridiculous statement. CES is every bit as rough as other schools...they just are not accredited, and use a British model.

I guess degrees from Cambridge require no work as well?

Anything to deflect from the real issues, which is caners lies.

 

[Dale-c]

Do you think that took know work either?

Umm, I think I meant 'no work' not 'know work' lol

 

[preachinjesus]

I thought the degree thing has been settled. Its not that big of an issue and was silly prating by the pagan accuser in this situation.

Regardless of what one thinks of CES, James White has always been forthright about his education. You can't attack him for that.

 

[Jerome]

I am watching the "Baptist History" lectures on DVD, and being the geeky student of history that I am, I know there are several misstatements just on the first three lectures.

Please elaborate.

 

[Paul33]

A new article posted by James White has brought to my mind a very simple question. Why are we suppose to ignore (overlook, laugh off, you pick the term) the lies Dr. Ergun Caner has told about his past and, at the very same time, be outraged by a Democratic politician who has done the same thing?

Attorney General Richard Blumenthal (LINK)

Dr. Ergun Caner (LINK)

Other than substance, I don't see any moral difference between what the two men have done. Both have misrepresented, lied about, their past in order to make themselves look more important (credible).

It is time for Christians, Calvinist or not, to stand up and demand honesty and accountability from all Christians (mainly in positions of leadership). The excuses put forward by men such as Norman Geisler are sickening (see letter on White's blog). No Christian leader should be coming to Caner's defense. Everyone, in leadership and in the pew, should be demanding honesty and accountability.

In 1Corinthians 5, the Apostle Paul is dealing with a church that allowed an unrepentant sinner to remain in their fellowship. Paul is shocked by this behavior. At Liberty University, we have a evangelical, Christian body that, at the leadership level, is refusing to deal with a brother who has openly sinned and yet refuses to repent (come clean about his past). It is time for Christian accountability at Liberty University and in the office of Dr. Ergun Caner. It is time to put this issue to rest. That can only be done by Dr. Ergun Caner publicly, in some format, confessing and repenting of his sin. Then, and only then, can everyone move on. As a Liberty University alumnus, I am grieved by this whole controversy. I am grieved that Dr. Ergun Caner has brought such shame upon such a fine school.

Martin,

I agree with you 100%. Your biblical analysis is spot on. I, too, am grieved. As an alumnus, I too, want accountability and repentance. Repentance is a joy! It brings us back into a right relationship with God. Confessing my sins should be a joyful act; not something I have to do grudgingly.

 

[Paul33]

The "leadership" may yet exonerate him. Right now the leadership of Liberty is itself as complicit as Caner is in this whole mess. From the Twitters of Caner and his pastor -- Jonathan Falwell -- things are not going in the direction of making a biblical clean sweep of things. The Christian community and the world will hold Liberty and Caner accountable even if the latter gives him a pass.

Rippon,

I do not receive twitter from either. Can you give examples of what you mean?