Why the teacher IS the authority in a class

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I guess so .


Sorry for the misspell Bitsy, it the old age. I need a teacher the remind me how to spell.

 

[mcdirector]

I guess so .


Sorry for the misspell Bitsy, it the old age. I need a teacher the remind me how to spell.

Or maybe you should just put your glasses on your old eyes before you post first

*ducking*

 

[tinytim]

Hey, you two old people....

What are you doing.... you're messing up a good fight!!!

lol

 

[mcdirector]

Hey, you two old people....

What are you doing.... you're messing up a good fight!!!

lol

Thank goodness!

Roger! quit kicking my cane!

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I know, I know its my bedtime here and I am tired.

Interesting thread. I did a paper LONG ago on Jesus the Master Teacher. All we could use was our Bibles to examine His teaching methods and it was fascinating to see the variety of methods he used - lectures, small group Q&A, etc. He spoke with authority, but talking to others and asking them questions did not diminish His authority.

Teaching is my thing, its what I do. If I have to demand respect in a class, group, congregation, whatever I have already blown it and might as well shut up and go home.

 

[mcdirector]

Well, what methods did Jesus use?

mmm If I recall correctly my my classes, he asked questions, he told stories, he modeled, he used psychology, he used conversation. He did of course lecture.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

He used object lessons, he used AV (writing in the sand).

He was also a perambulatory pedagogue.

 

[tinytim]

Go to bed! You need your rest...

Don't forget the geritol....

BTW, you are right!

 

[mcdirector]

Go to bed! You need your rest...

Don't forget the geritol....

BTW, you are right!

ahemmmmmmm

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Go to bed! You need your rest...

Don't forget the geritol....

BTW, you are right!

Okay sonny .

It is 1100 here and at my age that is late .

 

[menageriekeeper]

Quote:
Originally Posted by tinytim
Hey, you two old people....

What are you doing.... you're messing up a good fight!!!

lol

Aww Tim, you knew I'd be back.

Nope, I don't think it is confrontational at all, in fact it helps those easily offended to read the first post and move on so they won't be offended. I find it rather gracious. As you put it "why folks seem to be having problems ", my suggestion is you worry about YOUR thoughts and let other represent themselves and worry about themselves.

And here I thought we were supposed to be "showing love for one another" even on this message board.

Where did I say I want anyone to sit down and shut up...I didn't and you cannot quote me saying that. That is on the border of a false accusation and of course unmerited. And should you respect such a teacher if they said that? That is your decision, not mine. It is YOUR job to determine to whom you can submit as your teacher.

Obviously, you suffer from selective reading disorder, cause I already gave you a quote from one of your very own posts and clearly stated that it was from this quote that I get the idea that you want SS members to sit down and shut up. Just because you you didn't use the words 'sit down and shut up' doesn't mean you didn't use words synonymous to those. For clarity and to help you out with your apparant SRD I will requote:

Words in red: What makes for a qualified teacher that we should respect? You've been asked this question before. Should we respect a teacher who tells us to sit down, shut up and listen? Before you ask for a quote that illustrates where I get the idea you want us to all sit down and shut up, I'll give you one:

I am always fascinated with the results of combining naivety and egos regarding learning the Word of God and the things people dream up to stroke their need for dominance, influence, opinion and significance.

With almost every subject in life, learning is based on master/student learning. The teacher is the master and the students are there to learn. Abandoning this formula for something more egotistically satisfying is frankly, selfish.

Notice the words I have highlighted in orange(I did this the first time I quoted you). The words in orange are synonymous with "sit down and shut up". If it were not so, it would be simple and would have been simple longgggg ago to have said, "this is not what I mean, I mean only...." and clarified your position the first time someone said

The most egotistical teachers I know are the ones who think that theirs should be the only voice heard during the time the class is together.

Instead you said others were producing "weak sheep". Wait, that remark must have been made in love, right?

As for academic authority...I am a bit surprised this is unclear to you. I suppose you would like someone for whom you have no academic respect, right? You get my point then.

Actually, to me academic authority would seem to mean someone who had formal training in some area. SS teachers aren't likely to have formal/seminary training. More likely it will be someone who has been a Christian for a while and has engaged in studying the scriptures for themselves during that time, but this does not suggest academic authority. Maturity, not academics will be the strong point of such a teacher.

Well at least you asked a question but have failed to point out where ANYTHING I have said conflicts with the doctrine of the Priesthood of the believer. The teacher's authority begins and ends in the class. That in no way interferes with the Priesthood of the believer. If so tell me how. I have made it clear, abundantly clear, that not once have I stated that the teacher "cannot be wrong". That isn't the point of authority and the issue at hand. Show me where I have stated this, you can't. You have misrepresented what I have said.

Have I really? Let me again quote:

The teacher is the master and the students are there to learn.

Then you go on to say:

If someone comes to a class it is to learn, if not they shouldn't be there. If they are there primarily to socialize they are disingenuous at best and designing a class to serve the dishonest is only a fool's design.
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And if a class is being taught by someone who cannot teach with authority then the Word of God is being treated with contempt and merely a tool for conning people into a share-for-all which IS NOT how authoritative teaching and genuine learning occurs.

Whether you meant to or not, these two quotes together with the above, imply that you don't believe "students" should be questioning the the teacher. That anything more than lecture by the teacher and learning by the students is contemptous, that other methods will simply dissolve into socialization and no one could possibly learn in that environment. If this is not what you mean, just say so and be done!

 

[mcdirector]

Okay sonny .

It is 1100 here and at my age that is late .

You use military time? That's got to confuse you old geezers :laugh:

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

You use military time? That's got to confuse you old geezers :laugh:

We do use international time, but I use American here - right now it is 2306. Good night all.

 

[mcdirector]

We do use international time, but I use American here - right now it is 2306. Good night all.

Of course you used American time here! I'm an old geezer too and can't tell the diff

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I'll tell you all. what to do to stop fighting. Do what I just did - If you have a grandchild, read them a bedtime story (like Berenstein Bears "Ready, Set. Go" (I love that story, Papa Bear finally wins a contest, he is the best sleeper ) ) and then have a big, ole. tight, squishy hug. That'll solve all your problems .

 

[Mr.M]

Aww Tim, you knew I'd be back.
And here I thought we were supposed to be "showing love for one another" even on this message board.

And I did show love, just not to YOUR satisfaction. End of story.

Obviously, you suffer from selective reading disorder, cause I already gave you a quote from one of your very own posts and clearly stated that it was from this quote that I get the idea that you want SS members to sit down and shut up. Just because you you didn't use the words 'sit down and shut up' doesn't mean you didn't use words synonymous to those.

Right, I didn't use those words, end of story.

Instead you said others were producing "weak sheep". Wait, that remark must have been made in love, right?

I was applying the principle of this verse, you can go lecture God about love. :laugh:

Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

Actually, to me academic authority would seem to mean someone who had formal training in some area. SS teachers aren't likely to have formal/seminary training. More likely it will be someone who has been a Christian for a while and has engaged in studying the scriptures for themselves during that time, but this does not suggest academic authority. Maturity, not academics will be the strong point of such a teacher.

Here I had this verse in mind, you can go lecture God about how people who have "studied for themselves" should teach, God here rejects your idea :laugh:

2 Timothy 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.

See, how it works? Timothy teaches other men to have mastery like him, thus qualifying them to be teachers. Got it? Good.

Whether you meant to or not

Right it doesn't matter what I meant to do, just so long as you can organize your thoughts in a fashion that favors your misrepresenting what I meant to do...this is hilarious!

these two quotes together with the above, imply that you don't believe "students" should be questioning the the teacher. That anything more than lecture by the teacher and learning by the students is contemptous, that other methods will simply dissolve into socialization and no one could possibly learn in that environment. If this is not what you mean, just say so and be done!

In your imagination that is what they imply, however I have made it abundantly clear that part of discovering in the learning process for students involves asking legitimate questions. I posted that several times...so this is unmerited and an unnecessary tedium since I have already been clear.

 

[EdSutton]

I guess so .


Sorry for the misspell Bitsy, it the old age. I need a teacher the remind me how to spell.

Language Cop, here!

You rang??

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

Hey C4K, does that make you the authority on this thread?

Well, he is an Administrator on the BB, albeit the junior one.

The Moderators here on this thread, include two Administrators, Dr. Bob and Clint Kritzer, I believe, and four others, DHK, Frogman, blackbird, and Bible-boy.

And the Top authority on the BB, I believe is AndrewT, if I'm not mistaken.

I'd say they all have a bit of "authority", more than any average poster such as I, who has none on the BB.

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'Course, I'm not claiming one such as I, who may be one of those "whose ears are so tender", even if I am more "seasoned", should have any here, either.

Ed

P.S. FTR, I think I have most all of you on this thread beat with the age bit, at 59.

The only one I do not have beat, to my sure knowledge, is pinoybaptist, considering some have not posted their age.

 

[menageriekeeper]

Originally Posted by menageriekeeper
Obviously, you suffer from selective reading disorder, cause I already gave you a quote from one of your very own posts and clearly stated that it was from this quote that I get the idea that you want SS members to sit down and shut up. Just because you you didn't use the words 'sit down and shut up' doesn't mean you didn't use words synonymous to those.

Right, I didn't use those words, end of story.

Ahh, so your words aren't open to being questioned in light of the tone they are being spoken in. Well, if it works for you, go with that thought.

Originally Posted by menageriekeeper
Instead you said others were producing "weak sheep". Wait, that remark must have been made in love, right?

I was applying the principle of this verse, you can go lecture God about love.

Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

I don't see anything in this verse about teaching methods. It seems it isn't the teachers here who have the problem, but the immature Christians who are "dull of hearing", though I suppose and inference could be made that the reason they were dull is because the teaching wasn't interesting. Even in the context of the passage it is the listeners who are the problem.

It's already been pointed out that Christ taught using a variety of methods. How can you say that one method is better than another?

Here I had this verse in mind, you can go lecture God about how people who have "studied for themselves" should teach, God here rejects your idea :laugh:

Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

2ti 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Somehow, I think God has already answered the question!

Right it doesn't matter what I meant to do, just so long as you can organize your thoughts in a fashion that favors your misrepresenting what I meant to do...

If you choose your words in a wiser manner, then they won't be so easy to misunderstand(or misrepresent if you prefer). Attitude is important!



Ed, you have me beat, both in knowledge of authority and in age! :laugh:

 

[exscentric]

I think I have most all of you on this thread beat with the age bit, at 59.

I wish :tear: