...the writers of the three synoptic gospels would write in almost the same way? They were three different personalities. They would approach the same event or speech a bit differently.
That's one of the problems I have with fans of the TR and Majority Text. They seemingly ignore the smoothing-out between the various Gospel accounts. It seems there was an effort among later scribes to try and harmonize as much as possible. While the older and more reliable manuscript authors didn't fudge and try to match things up almost verbatim with parallel accounts.
Of course it doesn't just occur in the synoptic Gospels only but in other parts of the New Testament. And then,there are those places where a N.T. author is quoting from the O.T. In the TR and M.T. the tendency is to make the New Testament passage match as much as possible with the quote from the O.T. But in reality even Jesus paraphrased a good deal when He made reference to an O.T.citation.
WHy Would Anyone Think That...
Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Rippon, Dec 1, 2011.
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I've never heard that before. Do you have any examples?
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WHy Would Anyone Think That...
...the writers of the three synoptic gospels would write in almost the same way? They were three different personalities. They would approach the same event or speech a bit differently.
I don't know unless it's to try and discredit. I believe the four gospels are each man, communing with God in the spirit, and then wrote what they saw. It's an awesome thing. -
I'd still like to see some examples to be able to compare and see with my own eyes how the gospels were changed so as to make individual accounts agree with one another more. So far, it is just opinion.
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preachinjesus Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Actually this statement reflects a lackluster understanding of textual criticism. We do actually with a great deal of certainty that the CT, which has been painstakingly reconstructed over the past 150 years, is within .0005% accuracy to the original text of every New Testament book.
This is not to say the MT is a poor manuscript, it just simply isn't the better one. It is sort of like comparing Brett Favre to Aaron Rogers. In his day Brett Favre did a wonderful job and absolutely was the best option at quarterback for the Green Bay Packers. That said, Aaron Rogers is now the better quarterback and, let's be honest, Favre couldn't keep up if he wanted now. Yet comparing both quarterbacks and their strengths during the peak of their careers you can see their legitimacy as quality quarterbacks. It isn't a statement against Favre, or Rogers, to say one works better now than in the past or one was better in the past than now.
The CT is the soundest document you will encounter from a thousand years before or after its time. The textual data we have available in reconstructing it is superior to any other text during that period. We should be thankful for it and for world-class scholars who contribute to its growth and refinement. -
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BTW, your whole football QB analogy makes no sense.
Don't get me wrong. Use whatever version you want. I believe (my OPINION, if you will) that the TR is best. Can I state that as FACT. No. Nor do I try to. Neither should anyone make what is an unprovable statement as FACT. -
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There are many places where the Alexandrian CT harmonizes but the Byzantine does not. So what do you do about those cases? Surely then, by your principles here, you should insist on the Byz. reading instead of the CT.
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Scripture Cited From 2011 NIV
Here are just a few for now. They are snips --not the entire passages.
Malachi 7:6 : I will send my messenger,who will prepare the way before me.
Jesus quoted it in Matthew 11:10 as:I will send my messenger ahead of you,who will prepare your way before you.
Psalm 8:2 : Through the praise of children and infants you have established a stronghold against your enemies, to silence the foe and avenger.
Jesus put it in a different way in Matthew 21:16: From the lips of children and infants you, Lord, have called forth your praise.
Here are some examples from the writer,Matthew -- not Jesus.
Isaiah 42:1 : he will bring justice to the nations
42:4 : In his teachings the islands will put their hope
However, in Matthew 12:21 Matthew wrote: In his name the nations will put their hope.
Zechariah 9:9 : See,your king comes to you,righteous and victorious,lowly and riding on a donkey.
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Nonetheless,I'll start with one example for you. I'll be using Philip W. Comfort's book : New Testament Text And Translation Commentary.I will only cite portions of his information.
Matthew 17:21 : WH NU : omit verse
var/TR : add verse
But this kind does not come out except by prayer and fasting
"The external evidence including this verse is substantial...If the verse was originally part of Matthew's gospel,there is no good reason to explain why it was dropped from so many early and diverse witnesses. Thus, it is far more likely that this added verse was assimilated from Mark 9:29 in its long form... Thus,a scribe took the full verse of Mark 9:29 as presented in his manuscript and inserted it here;most other manuscripts maintained this insertion in the transmission of the text... The verse is included in KJV and NKJV and excluded in all other modern versions except NASB and HCSB which include the verse in brackets." (p.51) -
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Remember king Josiah? Judah was without the Book of the Law for about 75 years when Hilkiah unearthed it during young King Josiah's reign.
The Lord has His purpose in all of this. But in the end it will all be to His glory.
I believe that even older manuscripts may be found in a few years that would certainly lend even more weight to the superiority of the Critical Texts -- basically Alexandrian. -
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