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Matt,
Would you agree that
these "several in the crowd" who were 'armed" would have most likely only carried pistols? Sir, according to what I read, the shooter was over 1000 feet (304.8 meters) from the crowd. The relatively low velocity of pistol rounds, coupled with short barrels, makes one practically ineffective at that distance. You would most likely hit an innocent person than the perpetrator so discharging a handgun would be reckless at best.. Only a rifle or something like a shotgun slug would have worked at that distance and nobody walks around with one of those stuck down in his waistband.
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So, I repeat: a good guy with a gun there would not have stopped the bad guy with the gun
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Agreed.
So what?
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Thanks for agreeing with my point then
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You're killing your children at much higher rates with alcohol.
Dead is dead.
Your entire country should be ashamed of themselves.
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Breathalizers are more in order. If your children aren't knifed to death, they drink themselves to death.
Some choice.
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Thanks for proving Rob correct and you wrong. From the very article you quoted as your "cite."
"A third lesson: It would have been incredibly difficult for any bystander, or even local law enforcement personnel on the ground, to return fire and stop Paddock during his attack."
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Of course.
Handguns have limited range and not many people carry open carry rifles.
More ignorance on parade by a Brit.
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Brits don't need guns.
They kill their children with knives and alcohol.
Child knife deaths in England and Wales set for nine-year peak
Knife crime has killed 35 children and teenagers in England and Wales so far this year, meaning that 2017 is likely to be the worst year for such deaths in nearly a decade.
Official figures exclusively obtained by the Guardian show that this year will be the worst since 2008 when 42 young people aged 19 and under lost their lives as a result of an attack with a knife.
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But didn't that shooter commit suicide once faced with armed good guys?
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Yes. The police/ SWAT team. As I've said, no objection with them being armed. No armed civilians were responsible for stopping the shooter
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More deflection. You want to talk about alcohol in the UK, start a thread on it but don't keep derailing this one.
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You should welcome the perspective.
It's based on facts, not ignorance, like your anti gun screed.
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One of the points that emerged from.the Vegas shooting is that, whilst several in the crowd were armed, they were afraid to shoot at the perpetrator lest they be thought by the police to be the perps themselves: the words "you can tell the good guys with a gun from the bad guys with a gun" trip lightly and easily from the keyboard but aren't quite so simply applied in real-life situations
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How many people were shot by the police or others having been mistaken for the bad guys?
How many?
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Ok, so you want a meme duel?
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Not the point: the fear was the inability to distinguish a good shooter and a bad one. There were no civilian good shooters and none were shot by the police by mistake
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Then start your own thread
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Exactly. So your point is moot.
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Because you haven't even grasped the point being made: suppose the armed people in the audience had fired back: how long would it have taken it to degenerate into a complete free for all with firearms going off right left and centre
even before the police showed up? And when they did, how are they supposed to sort the good guys from the bad? The Vegas PD told armed civilians not to go to the scene for that very fear.
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