So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Gen 1:27,31
And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made. Gen 2:2,3
The LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed. Gen 2:8
So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.. Rev 12:9
Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?” Gen 3:1
Is that the very same serpent being spoken of in those two verses?
Why, did God put the man he created in his image in the garden with Satan the devil, that serpent of old?
Is the following verse relative to God placing the man in the presence of the serpent?
For the creation was subjected to futility [vanity], not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; Rom 8:20
What was God doing?
Does, "hope," of Romans 8:20 have anything to do with the following?
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,
Acts 17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
2 Tim 1:10 Darby but has been made manifest now by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who has annulled death, and brought to light life and incorruptibility by the glad tidings;
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Was the above necessary for the following?
He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8
Forasmuch then as the children [Of Adam] are partakers of flesh and blood, he [?The Word made flesh?] also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Heb 2:14
The big question.
Did Adam, "fall,' from something or did Adam do exactly what God knew he would do, for the purpose of God?
Did, "the purpose," require selling and redeeming and or to ransom?
Thoughts of all please.
Why?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by percho, Jul 1, 2022.
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Marooncat79 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
God decreed the fall
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Silverhair Well-Known Member
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Alan Gross Well-Known Member
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God does not need to demonstrate His sovereignty. He is sovereign.
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Marooncat79 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
but yes, you are correct -
We who are His, know Him. 1 John 4:7.
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Romans 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
God showed His wrath. God made His power known. God made known the riches of His glory.
Romans 9:22-24 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: and that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? -
Mankind needs to know God's sovereignty.
Romans 3:11. -
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Marooncat79 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Nope
you really need to read some Baptist Confessions. Seriously
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Since I follow what the bible says I can agree with what you said "He did that for our benefit and His glory". -
Marooncat79 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
God, according to the view you seem to hold, has already picked out those to be saved and condemned all the rest. So whose benefit was it for?
God did it to glorify Himself
Why was it necessary for Christ to die?
To save us from our sins. I Corinthians 15:1-8
The absolutely elect must have been saved without him; and the non-elect cannot be saved by him. - Not sure what you mean so will not attempt to answer
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2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Romans 4:6-8 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. -
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