Will the Phoenix Rise?

I will concede that the democrats were able to gain control of the Federal Government was the result of Republicans spending like drunken democrats. However, that is not the subject of this thread. The OP simply poses the question: What will rise out of the ash heap of the destruction of this nation by Obama and his Marxist cabal, a Marxist state run by elitists like Obama or the Constitutional Republic we inherited from the Founders?

Attacks on the Bush administration are not going to derail this thread. The question raised in the OP is of utmost importance to everyone on this Forum. If Obama has his way there will be no Baptist Forum. I suspect we will have a combination of the Marxist state and Sharia Law, what one might call the Great Tribulation or hell on earth

 

The George Soros Network

George Soros is one of the most powerful men on earth. A New York hedge fund manager, he has amassed a personal fortune estimated at about $7.2 billion. His management company controls billions more in investor assets. Since 1979, his foundation network -- whose flagship is the Open Society Institute (OSI) -- has dispensed an estimated $5 billion to a multitude of organizations whose objectives are consistent with those of Soros. According to Richard Poe, co-author (with David Horowitz) of the 2006 book The Shadow Party: "The Shadow Party is the real power driving the Democrat machine. It is a network of radicals dedicated to transforming our constitutional republic into a socialist hive. The leader of these radicals is ... George Soros. He has essentially privatized the Democratic Party, bringing it under his personal control. The Shadow Party is the instrument through which he exerts that control. ... It works by siphoning off hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign contributions that would have gone to the Democratic Party in normal times, and putting those contributions at the personal disposal of Mr. Soros. He then uses that money to buy influence and loyalty where he sees fit.

http://www.earstohear.net/soros.html

 

The Soros Threat To Democracy

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, September 24, 2007

Democracy: George Soros is known for funding groups such as MoveOn.org that seek to manipulate public opinion. So why is the billionaire's backing of what he believes in problematic? In a word: transparency.

How many people, for instance, know that James Hansen, a man billed as a lonely "NASA whistleblower" standing up to the mighty U.S. government, was really funded by Soros' Open Society Institute , which gave him "legal and media advice"?

That's right, Hansen was packaged for the media by Soros' flagship "philanthropy," by as much as $720,000, most likely under the OSI's "politicization of science" program.

That may have meant that Hansen had media flacks help him get on the evening news to push his agenda and lawyers pressuring officials to let him spout his supposedly "censored" spiel for weeks in the name of advancing the global warming agenda.

Hansen even succeeded, with public pressure from his nightly news performances, in forcing NASA to change its media policies to his advantage. Had Hansen's OSI-funding been known, the public might have viewed the whole production differently. The outcome could have been different.

That's not the only case. Didn't the mainstream media report that 2006's vast immigration rallies across the country began as a spontaneous uprising of 2 million angry Mexican-flag waving illegal immigrants demanding U.S. citizenship in Los Angeles, egged on only by a local Spanish-language radio announcer?

Turns out that wasn't what happened, either. Soros' OSI had money-muscle there, too, through its $17 million Justice Fund. The fund lists 19 projects in 2006. One was vaguely described involvement in the immigration rallies. Another project funded illegal immigrant activist groups for subsequent court cases.

So what looked like a wildfire grassroots movement really was a manipulation from OSI's glassy Manhattan offices. The public had no way of knowing until the release of OSI's 2006 annual report.
Meanwhile, OSI cash backed terrorist-friendly court rulings, too.
Do people know last year's Supreme Court ruling abolishing special military commissions for terrorists at Guantanamo was a Soros project? OSI gave support to Georgetown lawyers in 2006 to win Hamdan v. Rumsfeld — for the terrorists.

OSI also gave cash to other radicals who pressured the Transportation Security Administration to scrap a program called "Secure Flight," which matched flight passenger lists with terrorist names. It gave more cash to other left-wing lawyers who persuaded a Texas judge to block cell phone tracking of terrorists.

They trumpeted this as a victory for civil liberties. Feel safer?


More here

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=275526219598836

 

9.7% unemployment [actually 16%] and doubling of the deficit in one year sounds like things are flourishing under Obama. Having to borrow 40% of each dollar we spend sounds like things are flourishing under Obama. However, this is what Obama and Soros want; a bankrupt country. From your previous posts can we assume you will be an early volunteer for Obama's "civilian national security force"?

 

More on the Radical Backer of Obama, George Soros

From: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=977

George Soros*was born on August 12, 1930 in Budapest, Hungary. His father, Teodoro Schwartz, was an Orthodox Jew who,*in 1936, changed the family surname from Schwartz to Soros*in order to enable his family to conceal its Jewish identity and thus to survive the Nazi Holocaust. In 1947 Soros' family*relocated from Hungary to England.*Five years later, George graduated from the London School of Economics.*He*subsequently worked for a London stockbroker.

In 1956*Soros, with meager personal assets,*emigrated to the United States.*He would go on to become*one of the*world's leading hedge fund investors and currency traders. In 1969 he started his enormously successful Quantum Fund, which, over the ensuing three decades, yielded its long-term investors a four thousand-fold*gain on their initial 1969 investments.

In a $10 billion 1992 deal whose success was contingent upon the devaluation of the British Pound,*Soros earned himself a $1 billion profit and the title, "the man who broke the Bank of England." To date, he has amassed a personal fortune exceeding $7 billion. In addition,*his management company controls billions of dollars more in investor assets.

In 1979 Soros*established the Open Society Institute*(OSI),*which serves as the flagship of*a*network of Soros foundations that donate*tens of millions of dollars each year*to a wide array of individuals and organizations that share the founder's agendas. Those agendas*can be summarized as follows:

• promoting the view that America is*institutionally an oppressive nation

• promoting the election of leftist political candidates throughout the United States

• opposing virtually all post-9/11 national security measures enacted by U.S. government, particularly the Patriot Act

• depicting American military actions as unjust, unwarranted, and immoral

• promoting open borders, mass immigration, and a watering down of current immigration laws

• promoting a dramatic*expansion of social welfare programs funded by ever-escalating taxes

• promoting social welfare benefits and amnesty for illegal aliens

• defending the civil rights and liberties of suspected anti-American terrorists and their abetters

• financing the recruitment and training of future activist leaders of the political Left

• advocating America's unilateral disarmament and/or a steep reduction in*its military spending

• opposing the death penalty in all circumstances

• promoting socialized medicine in the United States

• promoting the tenets of radical environmentalism, whose ultimate goal, as writer Michael Berliner has*explained,*is*"not clean air and clean water, [but] rather ...*the demolition of technological/industrial civilization"

• bringing American foreign policy under the control of the United Nations

• promoting racial and ethnic preferences in academia and the business world alike

• promoting taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand

• advocating stricter gun-control measures

• advocating the legalization of marijuana

To view a list of many of the more important*Soros donees*that support the foregoing*agendas,*click*http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/Organizations Funded Directly5.htm.

 

Repeating part of the OP:

Obama, the Marxist financiers of his campaign, and the Marxist mob with which he has surrounded himself intend to drive this country into bankruprcy. Obama has already stated that the country is broke but he continues his spending spree, doubling the deficit in one year. It is estimated that over the next 10 years up to 40% of every dollar spent will have to be borrowed and the deficit will be increased by $9 trillion dollars. Their purpose is that a Marxist nation rise out of that ash heap of bankruptcy they will have created. This they will do unless the citizens become engaged as they are in the tea parties and the town hall meetings over the extravagance of the Obama administration, Obama’s takeover of certain industries and financial institutions, and Obama’s attempt to seize the medical care industry.

David Horowitz, once a radical leftist himself, and Glen Beck discussed this very thing on the Glen Beck Show today. I believe you can find it either on Fox News web site or Horowitz's web site FrontPageNews.com.

 

So are you now recruiting for Obama's “civilian national security force”? A true patriot!

 

If the economy tanks and we have anything approaching the Hoover/Roosevelt depression there will be chaos in the streets. I believe this is what the radical left backers of Obama want.

 

Those people who are willing minions of Obama should take note [That is, read a little history of Hitlers takeover of Germany.] of what Hitler did to those who were his early followers, the SA or Storm Troopers, his civilian security force.