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Will the Phoenix Rise?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by OldRegular, Sep 2, 2009.

  1. OldRegular

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    Listening to a Liar
    By: Thomas Sowell
    FrontPageMagazine.com | Tuesday, September 08, 2009


    The most important thing about what anyone says are not the words themselves but the credibility of the person who says them.*

    The words of convicted swindler Bernie Madoff were apparently quite convincing to many people who were regarded as knowledgeable and sophisticated. If you go by words, you can be led into anything.

    No doubt millions of people will be listening to the words of President Barack Obama Wednesday night when he makes a televised address to a joint session of Congress on his medical care plans. But, if they think that the words he says are what matters, they can be led into something much worse than being swindled out of their money.

    One plain fact should outweigh all the words of Barack Obama and all the impressive trappings of the setting in which he says them: He tried to rush Congress into passing a massive government takeover of the nation's medical care before the August recess— for a program that would not take effect until 2013!

    Whatever President Obama is, he is not stupid. If the urgency to pass the medical care legislation was to deal with a problem immediately, then why postpone the date when the legislation goes into effect for years— more specifically, until the year after the next Presidential election?

    If this is such an urgently needed program, why wait for years to put it into effect? And if the public is going to benefit from this, why not let them experience those benefits before the next Presidential election?

    If it is not urgent that the legislation goes into effect immediately, then why don't we have time to go through the normal process of holding Congressional hearings on the pros and cons, accompanied by public discussions of its innumerable provisions? What sense does it make to "hurry up and wait" on something that is literally a matter of life and death?

    If we do not believe that the President is stupid, then what do we believe? The only reasonable alternative seems to be that he wanted to get this massive government takeover of medical care passed into law before the public understood what was in it.

    Moreover, he wanted to get re-elected in 2012 before the public experienced what its actual consequences would be.

    Unfortunately, this way of doing things is all too typical of the way this administration has acted on a wide range of issues.

    Consider the "stimulus" legislation.

    Here the administration was successful in rushing a massive spending bill through Congress in just two days— after which it sat on the President's desk for three days, while he was away on vacation. But, like the medical care legislation, the "stimulus" legislation takes effect slowly.

    The Congressional Budget Office estimates that it will be September 2010 before even three-quarters of the money will be spent. Some economists expect that it will not all be spent by the end of 2010.

    What was the rush to pass it, then? It was not to get that money out into the economy as fast as possible. It was to get that money— and the power that goes with it— into the hands of the government. Power is what politics is all about.

    The worst thing that could happen, from the standpoint of those seeking more government power over the economy, would be for the economy to begin recovering on its own while months were being spent debating the need for a "stimulus" bill. As the President's chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, said, you can't let a crisis "go to waste" when "it's an opportunity to do things you could not do before."

    There are lots of people in the Obama administration who want to do things that have not been done before— and to do them before the public realizes what is happening.

    The proliferation of White House "czars" in charge of everything from financial issues to media issues is more of the same circumvention of the public and of the Constitution. Czars don't have to be confirmed by the Senate, the way Cabinet members must be, even though czars may wield more power, so you may never know what these people are like, until it is too late.

    What Barack Obama says Wednesday night is not nearly as important as what he has been doing— and how he has been doing it.


    Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=36218
     
  2. Magnetic Poles

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    The OP is nothing more than lunatic imaginations of the tin foil hat crowd.
     
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    You did, and I did show it. As far as being nasty, I guess you should get a mirror. My original comment wasn't to you, you are the one who throws the terrorist accusation around, you are the one who encourages questioning scripture, like the serpent talking to Eve. You are to be confronted. If you don't like it, put me on your ignore list. But I won't let your hatred go unchallenged. And I will not shut up.

    My apologies to O/R, but enough is enough with this hateful bible-denyer.
     
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    No you didn't, and you aren't so stupid that you don't know it. I never called Christ a terrorist. I said that using the threat of hell as a tool of evangelizing was akin to a terrorist threat. But then, you do love to spin, like all hatemongers. If you weren't such a despicable person, I would pity you. Of course, your lies about me never stop, but they are there for all to see. A fine example of all that is wrong in the church today.
     
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    Then you accuse Christ of the same thing as he taught on hell quite regularly.
     
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    You said Christ's teachings on hell were terrorist threats. Only terrorists make such threats. Call me all the names you want to. Say I'm whats wrong with Christianity. Christ, the guy you accuse of being a terrorist, told me I would be hated for clinging to his word. I don't need pity. We can save that for the souls sent to hell by Christians who encourage doubt upon scripture.
     
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    Teaching and threatening are two entirely different things. Many preachers use the threat of hell as a means of manipulating people. To equate the two are like calling a pleasant summer breeze a tornado.
     
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    As well as those who reject Christ because of the hateful language, lies, and actions of his so-called followers.
     
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    If someone is dying of cancer is it a threat to tell them if they do not take treatment they will die? Your logic fails tremendously.

    Man has a sin problem and the cure is Christ the consequence is hell. Man cannot threaten anyone as we do not have the say in it. But we can share what scripture says about it because scripture is the authority whether we like the outcome or not.
     
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    Scripture is the sole authority. Christ is the head. If we love him, we will follow his commandments. We are commanded to treasure his word. His word teaches eternal torment for those that reject him. The hateful person will encourage doubt. There is no other way to translate Christ's teachings. Repeating anything other than what he said is the same thing Satan does. Yea, hath God said.....did he REALLY mean torment ? Naw, my human intellect tells me different.....
     
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    While I understand your view, true conversion comes not from fear, but out of love. A woman may acquiesce to a rapist armed with a gun out of fear. But she may give herself to her husband out of love.

    And no, curtis, that illustration is not calling Christ a rapist.
     
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    Human intellect is all we have to weigh evidence. What else would you suggest we use? Kangaroo intellect?
     
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    I suggest you trust God's word. I also suggest you encourage others to do the same.
     
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    And what do you use to do that? Human intellect. One of God's greatest gifts to humanity is our ability to weigh evidence and to reason.
     
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    Most on this thread seem to have forgotten the OP and are engaged in personal recriminations. MP is very effective at derailing threads with which he disagrees. I thought that a repost of the OP might encourage participants to address the serious condition the nation faces.

    That Obama was elected president is because of the effort of George Soros and a like minded group of wealthy leftists. I am not much on “conspiracy theorys”. SN and poncho deal with those on this Forum. However, in the case of Obama and his backers I believe that “Something Evil This Way Comes”.

    http://swordattheready.wordpress.com...his-way-comes/

    Obama, the Marxist financiers of his campaign, and the Marxist mob with which he has surrounded himself intend to drive this country into bankruprcy. Obama has already stated that the country is broke but he continues his spending spree, doubling the deficit in one year. It is estimated that over the next 10 years up to 40% of every dollar spent will have to be borrowed and the deficit will be increased by $9 trillion dollars. Their purpose is that a Marxist nation rise out of that ash heap of bankruptcy they will have created. This they will do unless the citizens become engaged as they are in the tea parties and the town hall meetings over the extravagance of the Obama administration, Obama’s takeover of certain industries and financial institutions, and Obama’s attempt to seize the medical care industry.

    During the campaign Obama talked about a “civilian national security force” as strong as the Military. What part does this proposed “civilian national security force” play in Obama’s plan?

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=69601

    Certainly a cadre of 35+ czars is a long way from a “civilian national security force” as strong as the Military but it is a start. However, recall that Obama’s career has been essentally that of a street organizer. He was an avid pupil taught by Sol Alinsky. A question of interest: Just how big are ACORN and the SEIU and where do their loyalities lie? Will they become his “civilian national security force”?

    John McCain in his recent town hall meeting talked about a peacful revolution because of Obamacare. It is my belief that a revolution will occur as the Obama agenda proceeds Hopefully it will be peaceful, the Obama administration will implode, and the PHOENIX, the Constitutional Republic our Founders gave us, will rise out of the ashes. However, unless Americans stand now against Obama and his Marxist cabal the next generation will live in a Marxist nation ruled by Obama type elites.
     
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    His command is to trust his word over our understanding. God's greatest gift to humanity is his son's blood. A way out of the torment we so well deserve.
     
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    So you believe in infinite torture as a just compensation for finite transgressions, including errors in understanding God's nature?
     
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    The Phoenix is a mythical bird of great beauty, the one and only of its kind, fabled to live 500 or 600 years in the Arabian wilderness, to burn itself on a funeral pyre, and to rise from the ashes in the freshness of youth.

    This Constitutional Republic, unique in world history, has existed for little more than 200 years. It has been a world power for just over 60 years and now stands in mortal danger of destruction by the leftist administration of Obama, a compliant liberal/left democrat Congress, and the unknown financial backers of Obama.

    Hopefully and prayerfully the Phoenix, this Constitutional Republic of great beauty, the one and only of its kind, will rise out of the ashes of the Obama administration.

    Thomas Sowell notes in an earlier post:

    One plain fact should outweigh all the words of Barack Obama and all the impressive trappings of the setting in which he says them: He tried to rush Congress into passing a massive government takeover of the nation's medical care before the August recess— for a program that would not take effect until 2013!

    Obama has promised to socialize the medical industry in America. If he fails this time there is no doubt he will try again unless the people rise up against this Marxist terrorist. I say terrorist because his planned reduction in Medicare will result in rationing of care to the elderly, an insidious form of euthanasia.
     
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    We're now attempting to rise out of the ashes of the GW Bush administration but it's difficult. Bush left this Republic in a terrible state with a looming depression and two unnecessary wars.
     
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    "whoever"

    You used that same "trash talk" earlier. That has nothing to do with the attempt by Obama and his cabal of leftists to establish the Marxist United Socialist States of America, modeled after the failed Soviet Union. They are still bitter and grieving because President Reagan whupped up on the USSR without firing a shot.
     
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