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Featured Will There Be a Future Literal 1000-Year Reign of Christ on the Earth?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Scripture More Accurately, Apr 9, 2021.

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  1. Martin Marprelate

    Martin Marprelate Well-Known Member
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    We shall only know for sure when your putative 144,000 people finally show up, but I find it strange that Ephraim and Dan are missing, yet there are still twelve tribes. Ephraim and Dan, of course, are those tribes that were the centres for idolatry (1 Kings 12:27-29).
    But consider this: John 'hears' the number of those who are sealed (Revelation 7:4), but when he 'looks,' he sees 'a great multitude which no one could number' (Revelation 7:9). It is my contention that these are the same people. They are a covenant number that is known to God (the 12 tribes of Israel times the 12 apostles times as many as there are), but unknown to man.
     
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    I don't think it's a caricature at all.

    So, are you going counter the argument or just virtue-signal?
     
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    THIS IS ONE OF HUNDREDS OF EXAMPLES of the OP.
    from "A Case for Amillennialism", by Kim Riddjebarger:

    "The famous notes of the Scofield Reference Bible (1909) say that from a dispensational perspective James's speech is the most important in the New Testament. According to Scofield, James is describing what will happen after the church age concludes ("after this"), i.e., in the millennium, when God will reestablish a Davidic rule over Israel.

    If this is true, when Paul and Barnabas sought guidance for a concern that was immediate to them (Should Gentile converts be circumcised?), James responded by pointing to a future millennium thousands of years distant. 16

    Here is one instance in which dispensational presuppositions get in the way of the plain sense of the text.

    Scofield interprets the text literalistically, not literally.

    Dispensationalists are often forced to reinterpret any New Testament data that does not fit in their Ol d Testament-derived prophetic scheme.

    Dispensational presuppositions will not fit with much of the interpretation supplied to Old Testament data by New Testament authors.

    A thorough survey of both Old Testament and New Testament eschatological categories will demonstrate the dispensational hermeneutic to be untenable.

    More importantly, such a survey gives us the proper framework and external controls to interpret prophetic sections of Scripture correctly.

    The irony is that dispensationalists' practice of interpreting all prophetic texts in a literalistic fashion amount to a repudiation of the historic Protestant hermeneutic and the principle of the analogy of faith.

    If amillenarians adopt the New Testament writers' interpretation of the Old Testament, are they not following the literal sense of Scripture, even if the New Testament writers universalize something that was limited to Israel in the Old Testament?

    The dispensationalists' literalistic reading of prophetic passages must not be confused with a literal reading.

    A literal reading—a reading that gets at the plain sense of the text—will allow the New Testament to interpret the Old.

    It is amillenarians, not dispensationalists, who interpret prophecy literally in that they follow the literal sense of how the writers of the New Testament interpret Old Testament prophecy."
     
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    These happened already...you have no answer..just poppycock.
    If you cannot answer it is because you are inventing your own scenario from outside the bible.
     
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    if symbolic only, then why would we have each tribe listed and given to us?
     
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    Election is from Genesis thru to Revelation as a doctrine!
     
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    I have the "ace of trumps" answer-THEY'RE NOT FOUND IN HISTORY!

    That's why preterism is poppycock.
     
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    Lets have we who are Covenant premil side with Dispy now on the issue of a literal Kingdom and a literal view on prophecy!
     
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    The Second Coming ushers in the Kingdom age in its fullness!
     
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    but NOT the way the Reformed/Calvinist push it
     
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    Will there be literally a time on earth where no wars, famines, diseases?
     
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    What is any other way?
     
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    Church is Plan A for God, as is the Kingdom of the Millennium!
     
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    yes, the Bible way, that after a sinner becomes a believer, they joint the Church of Jesus Christ, where "ἐκκλησία" literally means, "called out". As Acts 2:24 has it, "Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as were being saved"
     
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    You do know that there are other isms besides Dispensationalism and Preterism? Iconoclast, as far as I know, would not call himself Preterist. I am the only one in this thread, I think, who is Preterist.
     
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    yes, as I am a Covenant premil!
     
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    God chose them first to be added into the Church!
     
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    you ever wonder why God chose YOU, and not say a thousand in your town? WHAT is the NT basis for this "election to salvation"? Are you more "worthy" than your friend who may never get saved? This whole teaching is so "elitest", which is what makes it so very much unBiblical. God chose the base things of this world, Paul tells us in 1 Cor. 1:28.
     
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    A Calvinist is humble and in awe of the grace of God, as he choose me period, nothing could do to merit that!
     
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    sure, but WHY choose you, or me? WHY? There is zero NT evidence that answers this. In the OT, God tells us the WHY.
     
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    The gospel was going forth throughout the lifetimes of Paul, Peter, and the other apostles, yet the apostles are the ones who taught frequently of the devil's evil activities in blinding all unbelievers and attacking all believers (Acts 26:18; Eph. 2; Eph 6; 1 Peter 5; etc). The apostle John wrote long after your supposed binding of Satan already had taken place that the whole world lies in the evil one and that the devil was attacking believers in churches at the end of the first century, and was going to put some believers in churches into prison.

    Your notions about Satan being bound in the manner that Revelation 20 speaks about are false.
     
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