Sorry, the Bible does not teach Salvation for all. It simply is not found in Scripture so no, that is not the Gospel of the Bible. But back to the topic, there is zero reason to believe that the 1,000 years are not a literal 1,000 years.
Will There Be a Future Literal 1000-Year Reign of Christ on the Earth?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Scripture More Accurately, Apr 9, 2021.
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Reformed1689 Well-Known Member
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At the heart of the dispute about a future millennial reign of Christ is how Revelation 20:1-3 should be understood:
Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
This passage expressly states that Satan will be bound for a thousand years in a bottomless pit, shut up in it, and have set a seal upon him during the time that he is in that pit.
The text is very plain that Satan will not be free to do anything on the earth during this time. To assert otherwise is to make a mockery of the text's saying that he will be shut up and sealed in that pit.
Many NT passages speak explicitly of Satanic activity in the world during the entire lifetimes of the Apostles, as recorded in Scripture. A right handling of these passages shows that the binding of Satan revealed in Revelation 20:1-3 could not have taken place and did not take place at any time prior to the writing of the book of Revelation.
For example, Peter taught that the devil was freely walking about on the earth seeking people to devour:
1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
It is nonsensical to say that the devil was bound in the specific manner spoken of in Revelation 20:1-3 at the time that 1 Peter 5:8 was inspired by the Spirit.
In fact, 1 Peter 5:8 compared with two texts in Job show that there had not been any change in Satan's freedom to roam around on the earth from the time of Job to the time 1 Peter was written:
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Job 2:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
It is a faulty handling of Scripture to say that the NT supports holding that the binding of Satan spoken of in Revelation 20 has already taken place. It has not taken place! -
The second time there will be 144k men of Israel from all over the world.
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, accompanied by all the angels, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be assembled before him."
Jesus will preside over all the Nations from Jerusalem. The 144k are his Second Coming disciples to administrate like the first 12 disciples did at the first coming.
Were the first 12 disciples literal or just symbolic that all the Jews became Christians in the first century? This describes the 144k:
"They were singing a new song before the throne and before the four living beings and the elders, and no one could learn the song except the 144,000 who have been ransomed from the world. These are the ones who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins; they follow the Lamb wherever he goes; they have been ransomed from among humanity as firstfruits for God and the Lamb; on their lips no lie was found — they are without defect.
Firstfruits for what?
The only thing left at this point is the 1000 year reign of Christ. This is not the church. The firstfruits of the church happened in the first century, on the Cross.
This group of people are Paul's third group mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15:24, after the Second Coming:
"then the culmination, when he hands over the Kingdom to God the Father, after having put an end to every rulership, yes, to every authority and power."
Christ reigns on earth after the Second Coming when He sets up His glorious throne at the Second Coming. According to Matthew 25, His kingdom is on earth over the nations. His disciples are 144k male virgins. They will range in age from 12 to 100. (Well how ever old the oldest living virgin is today.) The Second Coming could happen at any time. God will not let earth be punished from Adam's disobedience much longer. We are 5991 years into the command: "You have six days to labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Shabbat for Adonai your God. On it, you are not to do any kind of work."
"For in six days, Adonai made heaven and earth, the sea and everything in them; but on the seventh day he rested. This is why Adonai blessed the day, Shabbat, and separated it for himself."
Only 9 years left. John claims Satan gets 42 months. Only about 4 years left. The Millennium is the literal reign symbolically represented by the command and prophecy found in the 4th Commandment. 1000 was hard to count, evidently. God set it up so each day would equal 1000 years. They would only have to Remember the day, not the years.
Obviously they chose not to Remember either and were scattered all over the earth and many ended up in Babylon. Then God used Daniel to sort things out. 2500 years later, humans still have not sorted it out. Well time is up. Jesus Christ the Lamb will sort it out at the Second Coming, prepared or not.
Jesus is bringing the stars with Him. They are just angels and will land as gently as a fig tree shaken by the wind.
"Then I watched as he broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake, the sun turned black as sackcloth worn in mourning, and the full moon became blood-red. The stars fell from heaven to earth just as a fig tree drops its figs when shaken by a strong wind. The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place. Then the earth’s kings, the rulers, the generals, the rich and the mighty — indeed, everyone, slave and free — hid himself in caves and among the rocks in the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us, and hide us from the face of the One sitting on the throne and from the fury of the Lamb! For the Great Day of their fury has come, and who can stand?”
Yes, Jesus is coming with the Lord on the throne as well. "Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool." When the sky of Satan's virtual reality is rolled back like a movie screen, all will see what David and other OT prophets saw, when spiritual blindness is gone.
“Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, all the tribes of the Land will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with tremendous power and glory. He will send out his angels with a great shofar; and they will gather together his chosen people from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Jesus is bringing the Trump of God. So the Second Coming is before the 7 Trumpet sounds and the 7 Thunders. The church is going to be removed. Jesus Christ will be gathering the culmination for His 1000 year reign on earth. Or a day for those to whom 1000 years is too big for their patience. Of course some will spend it in Paradise. Some will be on earth, and the rest still hanging out in sheol.
Now those who refuse to see there has been 5991 years since Adam disobeyed God, when Satan's virtual universe is rolled back, understanding will be as instant as the second Adam ate, and realized he had died instantly. -
The 144k are on earth and are sealed after the Second Coming. The church was sealed before Creation, by the physical act of the Cross in 30AD. The 6th Seal is the end of the church, as Stewards of the vineyard. The 144k are the Millennium firstfruits. The earth is not desolate for 1000 years. Christ is reigning on his glorious throne in Jerusalem. Sin is gone. People exist in incorruptible bodies, after the resurrection of Revelation 20:4. This is the Holy Sabbath, set apart to God. When it is over, Jesus will hand the subjected earth, back to God.
Jesus does not offer back a burnt offering, as some interpret 2 Peter 3. There is a time of trouble never before seen. All Satan's technology burned up. All the mountains and continents rearranged. It is a culmination for the coming kingdom. -
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Reformed1689 Well-Known Member
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John was caught up. Enoch was translated. The church will be caught up. Being translated is the same thing. Enoch was changed between heaven and earth. The church will be changed between heaven and earth. Enoch came back as Elijah a sojourner on earth. Elijah left again in a chariot of fire. He did not have to change that time. Elijah came back on the mount of Transfiguration.
John was caught up, and translated to the Second Coming. He witnessed it all. He then had the task of writing a book report and sending it to 7 churches on what he witnessed. Some of the report did engage Daniel's prophecy to put the future into the perspective of the OT. God gives the readers the wisdom to discern what is what in Revelation. We today have 2300+ years of Satan's science muddying up the interpretation that the first few centuries of the church did not have. Of course they faced death by Satan's influence more than today's complacent church.
All they had was symbolism. They literally did not know what we know today. They did not even know the church would still be here 1991 years later. The glass should be more clearer today than then. Yet some today want to cling so tightly to their "blindness", they are just as blind as those in the first century. God promised a Millennium to Adam, to Abraham, to Moses, to David, to Isaiah, to Daniel, but yet today like those in the first century, it is rejected along with many other details of the Messiah. The excuse is always because of some lie Satan has fed humanity. God never focused on the lies, and excuses, and His Word remains clear, even if folks today claim otherwise. -
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There is that view of election. Calvinism claims we cannot vote for ourselves. We do not have enough information to vote. -
Scripture More Accurately Well-Known Member
There is a vast difference between a person's saying that the Bible does not reveal any reasons for God's doing something versus that person's saying that God does not have any reason for doing something. I am saying the former--I am not affirming the latter! -
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So we're saying the same thing. 1000 is the number of completion of the Promises. It's the nature of the promises we're disagreed about.
But, it's good that you don't ponder it, if your views of this chapter are that dear to you. You might find the promise of a temporal earthly kingdom to be a very inglorious thing and a cheap reward for faithfulness. -
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You refuse to deal properly with Revelation 20:1-3. The texts says that when Satan is bound in the way spoken of in that passage, he will not have any access to anyone or anything on the earth. He will be shut up and sealed in a bottomless pit.
Any claim that he has already been bound in that way is refuted by the NT itself. -
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I have pondered this matter very extensively. There are vital reasons from both Testaments for what I believe.
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